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iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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For many years, everyone who wanted to sideload apps on an iPhone has been able to do so. I am unsure about what makes this so exciting.

The EU found that argument unconvincing. As, likely, do you. Requiring a Mac and a reinstall every week and not more than three apps at a time is blatantly anti-competitive.

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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I agree with you and I hate that you are being downvoted. People love to say this is about choice for the consumer but it really is not going to be. My fear is that the choice will be taken away from my by companies that are no longer able to engage in shady behavior on iOS. Things like trying to collect all my data, forcing me into their billing system, shady subscriptions (like how I can cancel or reminders of it b…

> but overtime I no longer have the choice to avoid these alternate stores or to side load Maybe Apple should update the terms of the App Store to be more competitive/attractive then.

More attractive to giant social media companies who thrive on data collection is almost never going to be in favor of the user.

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

#43

This has been bugging me for a few minutes, and I'd be keen on hearing thoughts from other hackers. Given sideloading will be available, does this not create a broader attack vector that government agencies may use to access user data?

Of course it does. In addition to governments, how long do you think it will take for companies and schools to roll out apps to monitor what people are doing with their phones? Companies will say you have a choice (you can always quit!) and schools will just be protecting children - who could oppose that? And you know when it comes to enterprise and software sold to school districts, it's usually top quality stuff.

Can't they already do this with MDM?

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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I'm dreading this. I want privacy hostile companies like Facebook to have to comply with the app store rules and respect system settings relating to privacy. As a user, I'm thrilled when Apple wields its big stick to stop big tech companies from overreaching. Before there was a bit of a compromise, I could use evil apps with some peace of mind that they wouldn't do something egregious. Now I suspect evil apps just wo…

I don't think Apple will diminish their control on the App Store requirement, it's too much of a selling point to them. In fact I hope they keep their requirements the same, and I'm quite happy to see sideloading becoming a thing. More choice is nice.

I'd be so happy to see F-Droid venturing on the iOS side, and distribute open-source apps you can trust that would otherwise not be available on the App Store (emulators, third-party YouTube clients, an actual Mozilla Firefox browser using its own rendering engine, etc).

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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I'm dreading this. I want privacy hostile companies like Facebook to have to comply with the app store rules and respect system settings relating to privacy. As a user, I'm thrilled when Apple wields its big stick to stop big tech companies from overreaching. Before there was a bit of a compromise, I could use evil apps with some peace of mind that they wouldn't do something egregious. Now I suspect evil apps just wo…

I agree with you and I hate that you are being downvoted. People love to say this is about choice for the consumer but it really is not going to be. My fear is that the choice will be taken away from my by companies that are no longer able to engage in shady behavior on iOS. Things like trying to collect all my data, forcing me into their billing system, shady subscriptions (like how I can cancel or reminders of it b…

>...this could be a trend that starts small but overtime I no longer have the choice to avoid these alternate stores...

You wouldn't lose that choice. Want only Apple-vetted apps? Only use their App Store. Easy. Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but you seem to be saying: 'evil facebook will harvest more data, but I want to keep using evil facebook'. Maybe the conclusion you need to reach is that you should stop using facebook (and the like)?

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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> but overtime I no longer have the choice to avoid these alternate stores or to side load Maybe Apple should update the terms of the App Store to be more competitive/attractive then.

Sure they could lower the percent from 30% but that doesn't address the privacy and shady practices that the free apps engage in. Apple should in no way loosen those terms.

Of course not! They have an image to uphold, as the stalwart tinfoil knights of user privacy. However they respond is up to them, their forced competition with the free market is inevitable though.

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Don't hold your breath over it.

I expect it to be implemented in the most passive-aggressive way possible. Also, it will probably have the same bullshit tricks that Google uses to make it difficult, meaning it will only be useful to tech nerds.

That bullshit won't stand up to EU scrutiny though.

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but overtime I no longer have the choice to avoid these alternate stores or to side load Maybe Apple should update the terms of the App Store to be more competitive/attractive then.

More attractive to giant social media companies who thrive on data collection is almost never going to be in favor of the user.

Like TikTok and Facebook, both of whom already collect and process data serverside? If we want those things seriously addressed, we should be lobbying governments to fix it. Private companies are obligated to serve the government and shareholders first, then address your privacy somewhere after that.

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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I'm dreading this. I want privacy hostile companies like Facebook to have to comply with the app store rules and respect system settings relating to privacy. As a user, I'm thrilled when Apple wields its big stick to stop big tech companies from overreaching. Before there was a bit of a compromise, I could use evil apps with some peace of mind that they wouldn't do something egregious. Now I suspect evil apps just wo…

I agree with you and I hate that you are being downvoted. People love to say this is about choice for the consumer but it really is not going to be. My fear is that the choice will be taken away from my by companies that are no longer able to engage in shady behavior on iOS. Things like trying to collect all my data, forcing me into their billing system, shady subscriptions (like how I can cancel or reminders of it b…

You can never assume that one company represents your interests better than another: the solution to reducing addictive patterns is to enable other developers to build more privacy-oriented and dark-pattern-busting apps (one sec is a good example of this).

Apple makes certain aspects of the phone addictive as well (i.e. the app tray that can't be disabled, Screen Time is a joke for actually trying to restrict how much time is spent on apps, etc.), and the lack of 3rd party APIs to modify the addictive behavior makes it difficult to control.

The easiest way to reduce addiction to devices is design UX roadblocks that prevent seamless, mindless interaction with the device, and the "digital drug" providers are never going to willingly build that themselves.

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