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Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by triceratops »

d110af5ccf wrote: post #550
triceratops wrote: post #426

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You've been exposed to alternative viewpoints about free speech right here in this thread and it hasn't changed your thinking one iota. Most people aren't interested in changing their minds.

This is disingenuous. I've been exposed to alternative viewpoints, saw what I consider obvious holes, and either expressed disagreement or disregarded them entirely. If someone can convincingly (from my perspective, not theirs) illustrate a flaw in my reasoning at that point I have changed my mind by definition of it being convincing. When people say thing like "other people aren't interested in changing their minds"…

I mean this is well-known phenomenon. People not only disregard others' arguments, they even reject facts if they contradict a core worldview.[1][2][3][4]

You trying to rationalize this as "other people didn't find the arguments convincing" is a meta version of this. A deliberate ignorance of this cognitive bias even when given documentation of its existence.

1. https://jamesclear.com/why-facts-dont-change-minds

2. https://today.uconn.edu/2022/08/cognitive-biases-and-brain-b...

3. https://research.com/education/why-facts-dont-change-our-min...

4. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5698037/

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by alphanullmeric »

d110af5ccf wrote: post #539
alphanullmeric wrote: post #267

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Difference between me stopping you from wearing shoes in my house, and me stopping you from wearing shoes in yours.

Not really, no. All three cases (US Gov, Turkish Gov, Elon) are censorship of the public square in the end. I'm against all of them. As far as I'm concerned the US constitutional standard for free speech should apply to any platform above a certain size in terms of daily active users that facilitates communication between those users.

So to you, there’s no difference in preventing me from wearing shoes in your house and making it illegal for anyone to wear shoes in their houses?

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by alphanullmeric »

uoaei wrote: post #554
alphanullmeric wrote: post #402

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Is there a sale or not? If there's not a sale it's not advertising. If it's not advertising it should be allowed, false or not. If it is advertising it's not just speech. You lack the consistency to make your argument work. So again, I guess you're fine with arresting people over light bulbs.

It sounds like you have replaced a moral framework with a legal one. But the question of censorship is fundamentally a question of morality. It matters not how legal or illegal specific actions are in this discussion, so the legal means of enforcement that you rely on for your argument are a red herring.

Then you heard incorrectly. What I said is what I believe to be moral. You can’t arrest someone over non violent speech. Force is only justified in response to force. And at the same time, if you agree to enforcement you aren’t getting your rights violated.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by alphanullmeric »

Sakos wrote: post #559
sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #429

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> If there's not a sale it's not advertising. This is a really strange perspective. Advertising is only advertising once the advertised product is sold? A billboard is simultaneously an advertisement and not an advertisement depending on whether the observer has purchased the advertised item? Not the GP but no, I'm not fine with arresting people over light bulbs. I am totally cool with arresting them for fraud if it…

> If there's not a sale it's not advertising. I just can't anymore with HN. Who are these people who are redefining common terms to suit their own views?

What am I redefining? Can you point me to an example of advertising without the intent to sell?

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by archgoon »

mc32 wrote: post #158
themitigating wrote: post #149

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"crosses the line into censorship." Is not compared to being arrested and possibly jailed

It depends on whether we believe in upholding the constitution or not.[1] In addition we did have people arrested for violating lockdown rules/orders. [1] and given the volatility of this comment it seems people take issue with the bill of rights.

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Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by samuria »

mrtksn wrote: post #20

Erdogan's first speech was almost 2 days after the earthquake and he said "We are monitoring who said what on the social media and tried to provoke the people. Today it's not the day to go after those but we take notes and when the day comes, we will go after them". Just look at his face when delivering this speech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doy38aKbMw4 It's like from V for Vendetta. The lighting choice is very…

It's ironic that you are spreading disinformation about an app that is used to report disinformation. The app was released about 2 weeks ago. Not 24 hours after the earthquake. The feature was also already within the app.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by mensetmanusman »

Cyph0n wrote: post #196
blagie wrote: post #134

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It will become a non-issue once all keyboards have a "ü" button. :) Which might not actually be that long.

Why is everyone focused on the umlaut? If you don’t have the button, use a “u” and move on.

Because it’s hilarious to try to force the english speaking world to pronounce a name with letters they don’t have.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by mensetmanusman »

andybak wrote: post #189
PM_me_your_math wrote: post #68

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These companies are already in the dark deep of hyper partisan censorship. Take reddit for example. Nearly every sub is a left wing echo chamber, with essentially the same comment being made, and opposing viewpoints hidden, shadow-banned, or deleted under the guise of 'disinformation' even if they are factually accurate. Some of it is partly driven by liaisons within US and other governments, and supported by media.…

Except you can start your own subreddit and choose your own moderation policies. The inaccurately named /r/conservative has a lot of traffic and there are many more.

Many were banned.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by can16358p »

tradertef wrote: post #191
blagie wrote: post #90

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Off-topic: Do most people there prefer "Türkiye" or "Turkey?"

As a Turk, I do not trust people who are using Turkiye in English. That is virtue signaling which is saying they are populist, nationalist etc. etc. I also find the change idiotic at the least though I understand why they did it.

This is nothing about trust. I'm using the officially declared word to describe the country. Nothing to do with ideology or views.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by ars »

beefield wrote: post #271
ars wrote: post #240

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I propose they don't. That's not their job. Block only speech is actually illegal by the laws of the country. It's not their job to decide what is true and false.

well, we see where that ends by looking at 4chan. Why are you posting here and not there?

> Why are you posting here and not there?

That's the point - they can post what they like, and I don't have to look at it.

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