I wish it could be REALLY clear when a laptop is off. What happens when I shut the lid? I don't know, I can't see the power button anymore.
Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag
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My XPS 13 on Ubuntu while sleping randomly turns on in my backpack and tries to melt a hole/burns the battery to 0. So I think at least SOME of it might be hardware related.
The takeaway from this thread is that there is no platform safe from this issue.
Should airplanes forbid PC laptops?
It’s more serious than laptops committing suicide in bags. It’s, anything with a high-energy battery can short itself and cause a fire. Worse, it could be malware or hardware. At this point I am surprised the vulnerability hasn’t been used by anyone.
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#563The issue is that Windows doesn't go into S3 sleep when you close the lid; it goes into a weird not-really-asleep state for... some reason that I don't agree with[0]. I guess that state is "hot" enough that you could damage the laptop by putting it in a bag while in that state. Fortunately I've been running Linux on my XPS 13, which I have put into a bag hundreds of times (maybe even over a thousand) while suspended.…
On the other hand ssh sessions staying opened are nice. I agree it doesn't outweigh the mess it created though
> On the other hand ssh sessions staying opened are nice.
Probably a convenience feature for the NSA folks logged in trough the Intel ME.
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I feel using Windows for anything other than gaming is just going to give you more headaches than just learning to use a unix based OS. Most applications are available on multiple platforms and alternatives exist for those few applications that are not available. In my opinion, the only reason why Windows is so prevalent in the "enterprise" world is because Microsoft provides support contracts to make it easier to ad…
I even dropped Windows for gaming. Almost all Steam games work flawlessly out of the box now thanks to extensive investment in Proton. That is why the Valve is confident shipping the steam deck with Linux.
I have just recently done the same thing, Pop OS with Steam, on my gaming PC. It works perfectly so far and I'm so thrilled - CS Go, Planet Coaster, and most recently Gas Station Simulator have been playing great for me. It gives me a lot of hope that the Steam deck is going to be a real game changer.
Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag
#565> All newer Dell laptops now use the Microsoft Modern Standby. So let me guess: "modern" here is indicates a shitty new thing that doesn't work as well as the old thing. ...after further reading, yep: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/dev... > On occasion, the system stays in the active mode (with the screen off) for a longer interval of time. These longer active intervals occur for a variety o…
This truly an antifeature.
Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag
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I absolutely agree that microsoft could and should make this work better. But the pragmatic workaround is the setting to force hibernation when you close the lid. You can resume from SSD in 10 seconds. No middle of the night wakeups. Much improved battery life.
My dell xps hibernation doesn't work. 20% of the time it works. 40% of the time it won't wake and I have to kill it (screen stays dark even though keyboard indicates it is awake) 30% of the time it just immediately wakes 10% of the time it wakes at like 2am and power cycles my monitor every 30 seconds waking me up
>> 10% of the time it wakes at like 2am and power cycles my monitor every 30 seconds waking me up
My thinkpad does the same. Wtf is up with that?
Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag
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powercfg /lastwake will tell you why the machine woke up. Honestly I'm not sure where else you can find that information.
Generally it doesn't actually tell you why. lastwake will be blank and the power report will just tell you it changed state but give no reason.
I found the same thing when I was trying to figure out why an Intel NUC7i5 keeps waking up for no reason.
One would hope that powercfg /lastwake provides some information, but it doesn't.
There is a big difference between how Window should work in theory and what happens in practice.
Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag
#568I stopped using my Microsoft Surface Pro because it had the same issues. It's a clusterfuck of bad design decisions at Microsoft, the most offensive one being that they prioritize the execution of their scheduled spyware upload (telemetry) over honoring the agreement with the user that a sleeping PC will remain asleep unless the user takes action. It'll even install updates at night and then make reboot sounds to wak…
Yes I had a Surface Pro 3 with Linux on it and it still woke up in my bag sometimes. I'd take it out and it'd be running, boiling hot and battery almost depleted.
I never figured out what caused it, maybe it was something in the firmware. Or something bumping the power button? However it was in a padded laptop compartment on its own.This was actually from full-off. Not even standby.
What didn't help was that I used LUKS full disk encryption so it would be sitting there waiting for a password and there was no sleep timeout.
In the end I found the SP3 was just not great for Linux, I had so many hardware issues. Sometimes I'd detach the keyboard and reattach, and it'd just not work. Or the pen would stop working or the rotation etc. Mind you this is around the time it came out. So a good while ago.
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#569Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag
#570Earlier quoted context omitted.
Be careful. My Macbook Pro cooked it's display twice. Some program made it not go to sleep when I closed the lid, I put it in my backpack, and it overheated the display so much that I had yellow-brownish spots (which followed gravity over time). No way to check if it's sleeping when the lid is closed, because reasons...
I once had told Caffeine not to sleep my 2014 MBPr when the lid was shut and later put it in my backpack. Why the frak doesn’t the laptop have an over temp shutdown feature? iPhones so, trying leaving one in the sun for a bit.
Caffeine shouldn't prevent it from sleeping anymore anymore unless you have an HDMI plugged in it.