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Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by jmarcher »

davrosthedalek wrote: post #516
radicalbyte wrote: post #485

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the literal reason I switched to OSX. I dislike the impractical design of Macbooks - horrible connectivity and no way to swap batteries. However the combination of 15 hrs battery life + closing the lid and it not melting a hole in my bag trumps any negatives.

Be careful. My Macbook Pro cooked it's display twice. Some program made it not go to sleep when I closed the lid, I put it in my backpack, and it overheated the display so much that I had yellow-brownish spots (which followed gravity over time). No way to check if it's sleeping when the lid is closed, because reasons...

I always assumed those were the result of my cycling backpack putting too much pressure on the screen. It's basically bow-like structure to keep the bag off my back.

I do have my MacBooks cooking themselves in my backpack every so often too.

Basically, every MacBook's I had in the past > 10 years ended with that issue.

Mystery solved!

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by lotsofpulp »

Godel_unicode wrote: post #533
brianwawok wrote: post #507

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My XPS 13 on Ubuntu while sleping randomly turns on in my backpack and tries to melt a hole/burns the battery to 0. So I think at least SOME of it might be hardware related.

The takeaway from this thread is that there is no platform safe from this issue.

The probability of the issue happening seems to be meaningfully far less on certain operating systems than others.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by dubya »

davrosthedalek wrote: post #516
radicalbyte wrote: post #485

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the literal reason I switched to OSX. I dislike the impractical design of Macbooks - horrible connectivity and no way to swap batteries. However the combination of 15 hrs battery life + closing the lid and it not melting a hole in my bag trumps any negatives.

Be careful. My Macbook Pro cooked it's display twice. Some program made it not go to sleep when I closed the lid, I put it in my backpack, and it overheated the display so much that I had yellow-brownish spots (which followed gravity over time). No way to check if it's sleeping when the lid is closed, because reasons...

I really miss the "snoring" light that Macbooks used to have, though more to tell if the computer is actually waking up.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by errantspark »

naikrovek wrote: post #537
fxtentacle wrote: post #446

I stopped using my Microsoft Surface Pro because it had the same issues. It's a clusterfuck of bad design decisions at Microsoft, the most offensive one being that they prioritize the execution of their scheduled spyware upload (telemetry) over honoring the agreement with the user that a sleeping PC will remain asleep unless the user takes action. It'll even install updates at night and then make reboot sounds to wak…

I mean, I know it's too late to help you, but running "powercfg.exe /lastwake" after a windows computer wakes from standby will tell you exactly what woke it up, if it knows. I've never had it return with "unknown" once in over a decade, but some people I know have. if you can find all the things waking the computer, and fix those things, it will never wake without user intervention. usually, for me, it's been device…

I have NEVER in my life ever gotten a useful output from `powercfg.exe /lastwake`. I'm honestly surprised to hear someone mention it as working, I thought it was the sort of thing that was just copypasted on clickfarming tech-help blogs without any sort of verification that it actually works.

In fact I just tried it again on 4 computers and every one of them said "Wake History Count - 0".

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by acchow »

nobleach wrote: post #514
LAC-Tech wrote: post #497

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been using linux on laptops for years and I have no idea what you are talking about.

The level of "idle vs suspend to RAM vs Deep Hibernate (suspend to disk)" is noted by "S" levels.

So the higher the S number the lower the energy usage? Or vice versa?

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by Mister_Snuggles »

wrs wrote: post #371
Mister_Snuggles wrote: post #329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I prefer to put my computer to sleep rather than shut it down. Closing the lid on my computer, putting it in my backpack, and heading home for the day is very natural. When I get back to work the next day, I open it up connect the cables, scan my fingerprint, and everything's back where I left it. I usually go at least a month between reboots, but that's highly dependant on when updates come out (and get approved by…

And on a Mac it works either way, as you will get almost all of your context back even if you shut down rather than sleep. Windows still seems to start up as a blank slate, unless I’m missing a setting somewhere.

Like a sibling commenter, I've found this pretty hit-and-miss too.

Something like Outlook or OneNote will restore its state reasonably well, as will Safari/Chrome/Edge/Firefox. Others, like Activity Monitor, Enpass, and iTerm2, decide to "helpfully" open a window for me even though the previous state was "running with no windows open" (which is perfectly valid for many applications).

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by reilly3000 »

Godel_unicode wrote: post #533
brianwawok wrote: post #507

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My XPS 13 on Ubuntu while sleping randomly turns on in my backpack and tries to melt a hole/burns the battery to 0. So I think at least SOME of it might be hardware related.

The takeaway from this thread is that there is no platform safe from this issue.

*except Macs. I daily drive my desktop with Linux and occasionally game with Windows (it’s set up to be my driver as well with WSL2, but that happens rarely). I’ll only use Mac laptops. I’ve screwed around with others, but for about 18 years they have been the only ones that have been reliable, with good build quality, and no molten backpacks yet.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by alexeiz »

algismo wrote: post #403

I own XPS 13 9380 with Windows 10. Same mess with the sleep. I have to carry the laptop in the bag when commuting. You never know what it is doing when lid is closed. There is no lights on the laptop to indicate its state so I just usually put it to my ear and listen until the fan goes off after closing the lid. Then it is semi safe to put it into the bag. Feels like stone age. Things are just getting worse with Wind…

> listen until the fan goes off after closing the lid

I knew I wasn't the only one who does it!

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by jimmaswell »

fxtentacle wrote: post #446

I stopped using my Microsoft Surface Pro because it had the same issues. It's a clusterfuck of bad design decisions at Microsoft, the most offensive one being that they prioritize the execution of their scheduled spyware upload (telemetry) over honoring the agreement with the user that a sleeping PC will remain asleep unless the user takes action. It'll even install updates at night and then make reboot sounds to wak…

I've always had success with hibernate. Does this stuff bypass hibernate now too?
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