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Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Post by canti »

benbristow wrote: post #186
codyogden wrote: post #46

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I want to coin it as “embrace, extend, extort.”

Same with Telerik Fiddler recently. Good piece of software for debugging network requests on Windows. Was free for as long as I've known it existed. Telerik recently bought by 'Progress' (ironic), software re-written in Electron and now charges a subscription to use it. Glad HTTP Toolkit is now available free for 'hobbyist' tasks - https://httptoolkit.tech/

Thank you for the recommendation! I've been looking for a good Fiddler alternative, I'll have to check this out.

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Post by lugged »

seoaeu wrote: post #445
coding123 wrote: post #124

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It's a short sited move that will kill D.Desktop. It's not that these large corps don't have the money for this, it's how money is allocated in companies. Instead, now all hobby projects in large corp get killed fast and early because the hobbyist knows their project is doomed if the company isn't going to go for a new bill. A whole bunch of scenarios die now.

...if a company is incapable of allocating money to pay Docker, then why should Docker care whether that company uses the product or not?

You can't figure out why a company selling a product might want to care about losing users and market share?

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Post by lugged »

glutamate wrote: post #48

If Docker wants to grow up, maybe they could start with replying to support tickets from paying customers. I have a 10 day old open ticket with no reply.

They have core problems open from years ago they just ignore. This is their normal mode of operation.

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Post by solarkraft »

vhodges wrote: post #113
solarkraft wrote: post #60

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> As soon as there is a viable alternative (and I’d be happy to contribute to the effort), I’ll be moving away from Docker for Mac. I just SSH into my server. The biggest pain about macOS is that it can't easily mount SFTP.

Fuse/sshfs exists for OSX. Seems to work okay the little I played with it.

It’s not completely awful, but quite a long way from mounting a natively supported share, made worse by the already convoluted setup process that has been made worse by the project going proprietary.

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Post by judge2020 »

hda111 wrote: post #540
judge2020 wrote: post #109

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Do you mean APT via https://docs.docker.com/engine/install/ubuntu/ , correct?

I would strongly recommend docker.io from Ubuntu/Debian repos. This will be always Apache 2.0 licensed. (It's a fork of Moby packaged by Debian people). Docker Engine looks problematic since the license isn't clear at all. For instance, Microsoft didn't include Docker into GitHub Actions, they also forked Moby and packaged it on their own, since they can't comply with the End User Agreement of Docker Engine.

Regarding the GitHub Docker license thing, this is directly from GH staff (you’re correct): https://github.community/t/what-really-is-docker-3-0-6/16171...

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Post by wintermutestwin »

rwallace wrote: post #499
wintermutestwin wrote: post #390

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OpEx is much easier to get vs CapX. That's why so many things are subscription now. (also Sarbaines Oxley pushed vendors into subscription models)

Now I'm curious: Sarbanes-Oxley pushed vendors into subscription models? How? What exactly did it change in the cost-benefit picture?

S/O changed the way that revenue was recognized when a vendor sold product and services to implement. Basically, you had to wait until the implementation services were completed to recognize product revenue. Time to complete services could be multi-year and customer dependent.

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Post by jay_at_adnx »

There's a lot of fair points here. We (big company not fitting in the personal/free tier of the subscription) were using docker desktop (on windows 10) to build windows (server) targeted images. From the various comments, it seems like it's really not a common use case. The question I have is : how does one is supposed to proceed with this specific use case if the subscription is not considered for various reasons ? Switch the dev environment to windows server ? Drop the windows container ball and switch to Linux based one ? Are we the only company doing this kind of stunt ? (and feeling a kind of vendor-lock-in vibes right now ?)

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Post by seneca »

qeternity wrote: post #438
seneca wrote: post #437

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A company with 100 $250k/year engineers would be billed about $250k/year for this license. Any half competent manager is going to realize that money would be better spend on a single engineer focused on tooling, who can replace Docker Desktop in addition to working on other efficiency improvements.

> A company with 100 $250k/year engineers would be billed about $250k/year for this license Would love to know how you arrived at this number. The list price for 100 engineers on the most expensive plan would be $25k/year and I guarantee Docker will do volume discounts. Additionally, the terms just say you need a paid plan, which presumably could be the cheapo $5/mo plan which would be $6k/year for 100 engineers.

Yes, you're correct, my numbers are completely wrong here. I'm unable the edit the post anymore, unfortunately.

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Post by sebazzz »

benbristow wrote: post #186
codyogden wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want to coin it as “embrace, extend, extort.”

Same with Telerik Fiddler recently. Good piece of software for debugging network requests on Windows. Was free for as long as I've known it existed. Telerik recently bought by 'Progress' (ironic), software re-written in Electron and now charges a subscription to use it. Glad HTTP Toolkit is now available free for 'hobbyist' tasks - https://httptoolkit.tech/

There is still Fiddler Classic though.

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Post by kristjansson »

boudin wrote: post #510
kristjansson wrote: post #377

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> Podman is a tool for running Linux containers. You can do this from a MacOS desktop as long as you have access to a linux box either running inside of a VM on the host, or available via the network. You need to install the remote client and then setup ssh connection information. Literally the first non-title element in your link. Just because the client is cross-platform doesn't mean the entire solution is turn-key…

That's exactly what docker desktop does as well. A Macos or Windows client that runs docker in a Linux VM. There is a really limited concept of container on Windows, but it's far from being great and since not much people use Windows in production to run apps, this is not really usefull.

Well yeah, sure, but Docker for Mac/Windows installs the VM, sets up host-guest file shares, papers over networking and VPN stuff, etc.

I was going to say that installing Podman on macOS/Windows leaves the VM as an exercise to the user, but per another comment, there's podman-machine[1], a new-ish built in to setup a VM. However, it's apparently already deprecated (?) and recommends simply 'Vagrant' as an alternative, so seemingly setting up the VM is back to being a user exercise for Podman?

[1]: https://github.com/boot2podman/machine

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