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Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by negura »

chmod775 wrote: post #250

Keeping up with this stuff is for people who define their identity through virtue signalling and whatever personality trait they have decided to make the problem of everyone around them. Let them have their little corner of the internet and just stay away. There's plenty of alternatives run by people who don't feel the need to bring their personal baggage into a cooperative environment.

we're rapidly movement towards an internet where it will be the bad actors hiding their "personal baggage", who will end up in a little corner. as it should be. it's those people who have harmed the world at a global scale. by asking to separate technology from personal & societal values

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by inigyou »

myng111 wrote: post #513
inigyou wrote: post #443

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do not believe they will kick off a serious project that only uses hundreds of kilobytes just because it isn't big yet . I believe they are saying they don't want things like dotfiles repos (unless many people are using your dotfiles) or one-off scripts. The rules are not for interpretation by a computer program - they are a BDFL trying to communicate what he likes and doesn't like.

Funnily enough, my dotfiles were actually one of the things I was storing on Codeberg! Still, it's Codeberg's platform and it's their choice, but I absolutely will not host my repos on a platform whose BDFL can wake up and decide they're not welcome. At least I can sleep mostly peacefully hosting these things on my own forge.

Where is your forge server, physically?

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by inigyou »

BadBadJellyBean wrote: post #508
inigyou wrote: post #488

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's lucky that the rules aren't enforced by a computer program, isn't it?

Not really. I'd rather have decisions that are not made on gut feeling. I'd still rather have a human make the decision but based on facts not feelings.

People make a decision that something is racially discriminatory based on facts.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by Hendrikto »

inigyou wrote: post #489
Hendrikto wrote: post #451

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Simple: Provide the same freedoms to everybody. Do not get involved unless absolutely required to by law. That entails not restricting access for specific projects, and not revoking freedoms for any reason. Everybody should get the same treatment. For example, in the case of being overloaded by AI contributions, a neutral solution would be to implement the same rate-limiting for every project. Set a sensible limit, a…

Why should GNOME and Forgejo, which are great projects, have to suffer the same limitations as a blob of non-working output from a Markov chain? It is like saying Gmail shouldn't delete spam, but instead, should apply a limit of 1 message per day per destination per source address to all messages. Most vibe projects aren't even projects in the way that spam isn't even mail . The message says it's from my bank but it…

I do not think you get the point.

Yes, human rights should apply to anybody, including war criminals. That is what makes them HUMAN rights.

Universal freedoms and neutrality should apply universally, including to waste-of-time-and-resources AI slop. That is what makes them UNIVERSAL and NEUTRAL.

> It is like saying Gmail shouldn't delete spam, but instead, should apply a limit of 1 message per day per destination per source address to all messages.

I said a REASONABLE limit should be applied. 1 message is not reasonable and you know yourself that this is a bad faith argument if you are honest.

1k messages on the other hand would be a reasonable limit. There is pretty much no legitimate use case for sending more than that to any specific address from any specific destination in a single day.

It is also bad faith because Gmail never claimed to be free or neutral.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by YeGoblynQueenne »

Aachen wrote: post #47
Aachen wrote: post #16

I'm a member of Codeberg and was allowed to vote on these amendments. There was the annual assembly meeting before the ballots were sent by email. Each proposal had a short presentation and a few minutes of Q&A. It wasn't a discussion (the text was final at this point), it was just to ask for clarifications. In the meeting I asked about the server load that they mentioned in their presentation, but misphrased it and…

So I voted against, partly because I feel that the text doesn't to justice to such a multifaceted topic. If all projects on Codeberg were human-written, that would be a big seal of quality! There are a lot of projects coming out now where someone feels like they've made a cool thing but it breaks on the first edge case and is entirely unmaintainable. Many are built on wrong principles because the prompt authors aren'…

>> There are a lot of projects coming out now where someone feels like they've made a cool thing but it breaks on the first edge case and is entirely unmaintainable. Many are built on wrong principles because the prompt authors aren't savvy and don't know better.

It would be nice to have concrete examples of that kind of project.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by YeGoblynQueenne »

lelanthran wrote: post #111
therealpygon wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A big seal of quality because it is human written? Maybe in narrow spaces but in general, I’d put money on the average developer being significantly worse at writing code with bugs than an AI. It’s codebergs infra so their choice, but it seems like an overly simplistic solution to a complicated advancing technology, in that it is a threadbare line between “vibe-coded” and “complex agent harness with human oversight a…

> I’d put money on the average developer being significantly worse at writing code with bugs than an AI. I'd put money on the average AI-coded project being of a worse quality, simply because the number of vibe-coders with no experience now outnumbers actual coders using AI-assist around 10 to 1. I'm literally seeing companies being pitched with B2B products written by people who had never written a program before, e…

>> I'm literally seeing companies being pitched with B2B products written by people who had never written a program before, even as a hobby!

Can you post some links to examples of such companies? It sounds really bad but I don't want to really believe it until I can see it with mine own eyes.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by throw1234567891 »

Aachen wrote: post #16

I'm a member of Codeberg and was allowed to vote on these amendments. There was the annual assembly meeting before the ballots were sent by email. Each proposal had a short presentation and a few minutes of Q&A. It wasn't a discussion (the text was final at this point), it was just to ask for clarifications. In the meeting I asked about the server load that they mentioned in their presentation, but misphrased it and…

Sounds very disingenuous and manipulative in nature. Thanks for letting us know.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by pjjpo »

I have seen so much governance weirdness from Codeberg over the years that it isn't even on the radar to migrate to. GitHub has gotten less stable, I wouldn't mind an alternative, but Codeberg just wouldn't ever be that. To be fair I am just on the sidelines seeing net commentary so it may not be a fair take but it doesn't change that point.

Do people know Codeberg well and migrate to it anyways, or they just don't know? If the former, wondering what gets you to that point.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by mschuster91 »

inigyou wrote: post #454
mschuster91 wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Seriously, we should let go of the idea that all of humanity should be part of a single Data Silo on the internet. There's a reason these came to be in the first place though, and accounts are among the most prominent ones. A new forum means not just registering at yet another place, it also means creating a new label/folder in your email inbox and a new filter rule to properly redirect stuff. That's friction.

That was never much of a problem on the old internet. It's just something corporations made us feel entitled to. You don't use the same memorized password for all your really unimportant accounts and forget about them after you're done? There's always the email option, too. "Found a bug? Email bugs@example.com." - that's the original decentralised discussion forum.

> It's just something corporations made us feel entitled to

Entitled? It's a necessity due to everyone and their dog either getting hacked or selling email addresses to spammers outright.

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