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Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by 48terry »

boramalper wrote: post #183
adamddev1 wrote: post #132

> In addition, Codeberg conflates “having a community” with “being legitimate software worth hosting” I don't think this is a fair summary. I don't see this conflation in Codeberg's blog post. The words in quotation marks don't actually exist in Codeberg's blog post. It seems that what they are saying is: In a free hosting platform where we share all the resources, it's not fair that some people using LLMs are using…

> It seems that what they are saying is: In a free hosting platform where we share all the resources, it's not fair that some people using LLMs are using up disproportionately huge hosting resources to handle the unnaturally large amounts of resources they can churn out with these tools. Then instead of addressing the excessive resource usage problem indirectly via banning AI-assisted apps, they could've addressed it…

> they could've addressed it directly by imposing limits/quotas

For one, they've already done this to an extent. For two, they're also doing this by deciding what projects are and are not welcome on their service in the first place.

If 9 people eat an apple or two a day but a tenth person wants to eat 100 apples a day, we don't have to set some apple limit. We can tell the tenth person to pound sand and keep giving everyone else the apples they want.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by 48terry »

Hendrikto wrote: post #301
witx wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Providers should host whatever they feel like hosting. Models were nost likely trained on stolen content, so not allowing vibecoded is taking a stance in favour of free software. You people keep forgetting that free software is inherintly political and so platforms are more than wellcome of taking a stance. If you don't like don't use it. Quite simple

Free software is about freedom and liberty. Sure, you can decide to prohibit certain use cases. That is absolutely legal and absolutely okay to do. But it makes you non-neutral and non-free.

Fortunately, Codeberg is not free software. It's a service provider providing a service. They themselves can be as non-neutral and non-free as they like. The software beneath it all remains free.

Seriously, just host your own Forgejo if it's that much of a problem. It's right there.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by qznc »

danpalmer wrote: post #120
qznc wrote: post #109

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How does Bluesky or ATProto prevent that power trip?

I'm not going to do the protocol justice in an HN comment, but a core goal is to separate the entities that control the data, the entities that run the network, and the entities that control the interfaces (and recommendation algos etc). If your Mastodon admin goes rogue, you a) have to get your data out of their hands, and b) have to rebuild your Mastodon presence in a new location, all your connections, history, et…

My understanding of ATProto is that it essentially means an open database. As a consequence anybody can write an alternative interfaces for any data.

The argument is that with ActivityPub does not care about that aspect. With Mastodon, the database is under the control of whoever owns the server.

The rebuilding part is rather similar, but exporting the data is trivial with ATProto but depends on the admin with ActivityPub.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by duxup »

inigyou wrote: post #487
duxup wrote: post #469

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I think there is space in “things that are illegal / harm” and other choices. Freedom in general is always a compromise to some extent.

It's interesting how your concept of freedom very quickly went from “freedom” to “no actually I mean freedom for things I like”. Principles are hard, I guess.

Naw most people have concepts about freedom and harming others like you describe.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by ragall »

hedora wrote: post #385

So, I guess Codeberg doesn't meet the free software bar any more. The FSF defines four freedoms, and they are all pretty clearly being violated by the no LLM policy. They're blocking people based on how they use codeberg (freedom 0), preventing less experienced users from improving / modifying code (freedom 1), based on an argument that you can modify software, but only how they tell you to, and certainly not with an…

> The FSF defines four freedoms, and they are all pretty clearly being violated by the no LLM policy.

No they're not. The four freedoms apply only to software licences.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by ragall »

chmod775 wrote: post #323
zelphirkalt wrote: post #317

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Are you consciously choosing to completely ignore large parts of Codeberg's explanations, regarding the amount of traffic they get from one-man LLM shows, and additionally completely fail to consider the type of organization, that Codeberg is, in order to label this as merely virtue signaling?

> Are you consciously choosing to completely ignore Yes. Let me stop you right there: Yes, absolutely. Whatever they claim their reasons are, it's not my problem. I don't care. The last Codeberg story that popped up here just this week was something about them banning Bitcoin. At that pace you should worry whether you're next. Which is why my advice is: Avoid the headache. Go somewhere else.

> The last Codeberg story that popped up here just this week was something about them banning Bitcoin. At that pace you should worry whether you're next.

No. LLMs and blockchain are the same kind of shit.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by inigyou »

duxup wrote: post #504
inigyou wrote: post #487

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's interesting how your concept of freedom very quickly went from “freedom” to “no actually I mean freedom for things I like”. Principles are hard, I guess.

Naw most people have concepts about freedom and harming others like you describe.

"no actually I mean freedom for the things most people like"?

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by BadBadJellyBean »

inigyou wrote: post #488
BadBadJellyBean wrote: post #446

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Racial discrimination can have fringe cases but is at least something you can often clearly see. You can not detect the intention but you can often see the outcome. But yes. Other rules that are unenforceable without reading tea leaves are also a problem.

It's lucky that the rules aren't enforced by a computer program, isn't it?

Not really. I'd rather have decisions that are not made on gut feeling. I'd still rather have a human make the decision but based on facts not feelings.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by duxup »

inigyou wrote: post #507
duxup wrote: post #504

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Naw most people have concepts about freedom and harming others like you describe.

"no actually I mean freedom for the things most people like"?

I mean freedom that doesn’t violate other people’s freedoms, like your CSAM example.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by tocariimaa »

fuglede_ wrote: post #249
anarki8 wrote: post #155

Migrated to it around 3 years ago. All I needed was a dependable and simpler (preferably EU-based) GitHub alternative for my FOSS code. Now I am migrating away and stopped my donations to the e.V. Not because I have cryptocurrency-related or vibecoded projects (I don't), but because this sets precedent of introducing vague rules that ban random/unpopular projects. Ironically, I migrated to it from SourceHut because o…

> Now I am migrating away Where to, if I may ask? Are there any stable FOSS-emphasizing (preferably EU-based) alternatives (outside of just self-hosting)?

I can recommend Codefloe, runs forgejo and the hosting is EU-based
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