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Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by Telemakhos »

kube-system wrote: post #98
bensyverson wrote: post #2

I would love to learn more about what's actually powering Apple Intelligence now. Are they using flagship Gemini models behind their own prompts? Fine-tuning? Pre-training their own models based on Gemini? Is there a meaningful distinction between the Gemini-powered models and Apple Foundation Models? Does that distinction vary for on-device vs hosted models? Are some models running on Apple's Private Cloud Compute a…

> what's actually powering Apple Intelligence now. It's a 3B Apple Foundation model. https://machinelearning.apple.com/research/introducing-apple... If you've got a mac, you can use this to play around with it: https://apfel.franzai.com/

Thanks for that. I like being able to pipe output into a local LLM to get an explanation of the output.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by antiframe »

Tagbert wrote: post #522
paulddraper wrote: post #173

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All I know is that Siri is a terrible user experience.

Consider that they described the development process as taking Siri down to bare metal and rebuilding on a new architecture. I don’t think our previous Siri experience will be particularly relevant.

They decided to use the Siri branding, so I am going to do as they tell me an associate it with my prior Siri experience. That's a brands sole purpose, to give a buyer an indication of a product before they buy it. (Or in my case, given my experience with the brand, not buy it).

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by Klayy »

jasonmp85 wrote: post #160
aorloff wrote: post #140

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Oh yes Apple "wraps" their AI in a "privacy architecture" -- you can't use Carplay unless you turn it (Siri) on.

How do you expect to use a nav system while driving without voice control?

Good luck telling Siri to drive to Hronská Breznica. Outside of English speaking countries voice control is very hit and miss (mostly miss)

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by TalkingCodeMonk »

brookst wrote: post #544
TalkingCodeMonk wrote: post #525

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What if the CA certs are compromised, as was alluded to for GCP in the Snowden leaks? All server security measures are irrelevant if every client req/res is dragnet siphoned off to NSA servers in plaintext. It would also afford the corporation deniability even if they were aware or involved. This is why everything than can feasibly be E2EE (or performed locally) should be, unless the data is explicitly public. There…

I’m having a hard time parsing that. Are you suggesting that PCC specifically is sending things in plaintext, or that the security promises in the server and arch are false, or that a compromised CA means… IDK what? I’m with you on the big principles, but are you implying more specific attack vectors or just kind of maybe everything could be compromised somehow?

> In an NSA presentation slide on “Google Cloud Exploitation,” however, a sketch shows where the “Public Internet” meets the internal “Google Cloud” where their data reside. In hand-printed letters, the drawing notes that encryption is “added and removed here!”

http://web.archive.org/web/20140101231153/https://www.washin...

https://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2013/09/06/on-nsa/

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by rafram »

reverius42 wrote: post #472
dewey wrote: post #451

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Because it’s easy, but not enjoyable.

We used to just write programs to do those things.

It's essentially impossible to write a traditional program that can go through the full process of logging in and changing a password autonomously, without writing fragile site-specific procedures.

By contrast, an LLM can do it easily.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by TalkingCodeMonk »

chipotle_coyote wrote: post #532
criley2 wrote: post #518

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This is a non-answer, and in fact, a statement like "don't let fear be an excuse to lose rigor in thinking" in response to my question "how verifiable are their claims" is insulting and sloppy. Rigor in thinking includes human discussion and humans asking questions, but yet you shot that down. ChatGPT, do what this user wouldn't, and answer the dang question: > No, Apple cannot verify that Private Cloud Compute is co…

"I did not like your answer, therefore I will use the 100% reliable, bullet-proof method of having an algorithm generate the statistically most likely words that form a plausible answer to my question."

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Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by RobMurray »

btown wrote: post #334
impulser_ wrote: post #267

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They are using Google Cloud. https://security.apple.com/blog/expanding-pcc/?linkId=100000... "Now, we are collaborating with Google and NVIDIA to run new Apple Intelligence workloads on Google Cloud, extending our industry-leading PCC privacy commitments to third-party data centers for the first time."

Per that link: I think there's an interesting question about whether a nefarious actor who's infiltrated a cloud provider with physical access to machines that are running signed operating systems, with signed binaries, with TDX remote attestation, and with hardware supply chain verification, has the ability to break the privacy guarantees of a tenant with Apple's sophistication. Certainly, one could tamper with the…

Apple could simply be ordered to include a hardware backdoor, and legally be prevented from talking about it. Everything else in the architecture could work exactly the way they claim in the PCC paper.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by Bud »

conception wrote: post #367
Bud wrote: post #350

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Let's actually not hope that, and let's not indulge the EU regulators' fantasies that they get to dictate the product design of products from non-EU countries. Force Apple to support all kinds of arbitrary models? That's a comically bad idea.

“Let’s not indulge US regulators fantasies that they get to dictate the product design of cars from non-US countries.” Of course governments have the ability to decide what products are sold in their countries and how.

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Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by mixdup »

ginko wrote: post #489
mixdup wrote: post #345

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They didn't say they aren't shipping in China, just working through regulatory issues. I assume that means they're working on a China-operated "private" cloud compute instance like every other US cloud provider They did say that they are specifically not shipping in the EU because of the DMA, so until the DMA or the EC's interpretation of the DMA, changes, these new AI features aren't shipping there. That is not the…

The EC wrote the DMA. There is nothing to "interpret" for them.

My Brother in Christ, different administrations can and do "interpret" laws differently all the time. Sometimes even the same administration might change how they enforce a law.

Also, technically didn't the EU Parliament write and pass the DMA, and the EC enforces it? I'm not European so I don't know the intricate details of the incredibly Byzantine process of the EU so maybe I'm wrong there

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by rusk »

tguedes wrote: post #546
ziofill wrote: post #542

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Do you have any examples?

There is a comment in this thread from an alleged Apple employee that said that, but it doesn't seem like it's possible to send a link for a specific comment. Over the years I've seen comments and blogs posted here in Hacker News reaffirming the same thing. But to answer your question directly, I don't have any links for those blogs or comments

> it doesn't seem like it's possible to send a link for a specific comment

Click on where it says how long ago the comment was posted

For example https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48461367

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