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A Farmer Donated Land to Turn into a Park. The City Is Building a Data Center

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Re: A Farmer Donated Land to Turn into a Park. The City Is Building a Data Center

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Post by malfist »

taeric wrote: post #435
malfist wrote: post #351

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I have two grocery stores within 5 miles of me. Both paths to the grocery store take me by an Amazon warehouse before I arrive at the grocery

I have no doubt such locations exist. I would not at all present this as a common outcome in the US. Certainly not due to zoning.

You may be surprised. Many cities have urban sprawl and a desperate need for housing meaning subdivisions are being built in previously zoned industrial areas. That's certainly what's happened in my city.

Re: A Farmer Donated Land to Turn into a Park. The City Is Building a Data Center

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Post by logancbrown »

ojame wrote: post #312
logancbrown wrote: post #284

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You cant walk to a data center either

Literally in the article is a proposed development that is (easily) walkable from residential houses.

A singular example. Thanks for the "gotcha", very redditor behavior.

Re: A Farmer Donated Land to Turn into a Park. The City Is Building a Data Center

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Post by ionwake »

dpark wrote: post #464
ionwake wrote: post #400

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the point of the story was that it was given to the council on condition they built a university with it ( she wasn't a fishermans wife ). as in she was rich bro edit> are you trolling me?

You call this a rumor at the top of your comment. It’s all hearsay and you can’t really criticize people for assuming something different than you assume. There’s no factual information here to discuss.

I didnt criticise anyone, and rumours are the shadows cast by coming events.

Re: A Farmer Donated Land to Turn into a Park. The City Is Building a Data Center

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Post by ionwake »

no-name-here wrote: post #481
ionwake wrote: post #289

Rumour was an old lady donated posthumously alot of money she had saved up her whole life, to build a university at Estepona in Spain. After she died they never built it. The town remains pretty much the same as it always was. Last time I was there they had replaced the red marble promenade that was cracked on the beach with some sort of rubber playground cement, and for some reason that I can only put down to malice…

> Rumour was an old lady donated posthumously … to build a university Was it only a rumor or did you find a reliable source? Presumably that type of thing would make at least the national news, especially if it’s been years - a university costs exponentially more than (empty?) parkland.

its the equivalent of a literal fishermans tale.

Theres always some truth behind them. Im just saying what I heard on the grapevine. If people could stop busting my balls Id appreciate it.

Re: A Farmer Donated Land to Turn into a Park. The City Is Building a Data Center

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Post by taeric »

malfist wrote: post #551
taeric wrote: post #435

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have no doubt such locations exist. I would not at all present this as a common outcome in the US. Certainly not due to zoning.

You may be surprised. Many cities have urban sprawl and a desperate need for housing meaning subdivisions are being built in previously zoned industrial areas. That's certainly what's happened in my city.

Fair that I can be surprised/wrong.

Re: A Farmer Donated Land to Turn into a Park. The City Is Building a Data Center

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Post by ElijahLynn »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #549
ElijahLynn wrote: post #509

I've had a few fantasies that if I become wealthy enough ever that I want to buy a whole bunch of multiple city blocks in my city make them public parks. But I did have that same fear is how do I ensure they survive? Do I do a land trust or something like that? How would a donation survive so something like this doesn't happen?

You find an institution that is likely to continue to exist and let them manage it. You need someone to sue on your behalf 1000 years down the line. Long Now foundation hosted a talk [0] on this, “Continuity: Discovering the Lessons behind the World’s Longest-lived Organizations” [0] https://longnow.org/talks/02021-rose/

Love this, thank you!

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Post by ElijahLynn »

CGamesPlay wrote: post #511
ElijahLynn wrote: post #509

I've had a few fantasies that if I become wealthy enough ever that I want to buy a whole bunch of multiple city blocks in my city make them public parks. But I did have that same fear is how do I ensure they survive? Do I do a land trust or something like that? How would a donation survive so something like this doesn't happen?

Enshrine it in actual law. Theodore Roosevelt donated some of his land when the national parks became law, and that’s held up reasonably well. There’s no such thing as a guarantee, but it is pretty decent precedence.

Thank you!

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Post by tremon »

sarchertech wrote: post #429
soco wrote: post #416

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Health insurance, unions, paid vacation... al in all I'd say not that bad.

Plenty of other countries have those things as well. And plenty of countries that have even more frequent political upheaval don’t have those things. I don’t know that regular political violence is positively correlated with worker protections.

> I don’t know that regular political violence is positively correlated with worker protections

In fact, it's quite easy to find examples of political violence being used to reduce worker protections: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-union_violence_in_the_Uni...

Re: A Farmer Donated Land to Turn into a Park. The City Is Building a Data Center

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

protocolture wrote: post #540
_DeadFred_ wrote: post #415

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Yes. Society doesn't work if the government is above contract law. If the city can't abide by it's contracts it should not enter into them. Unlike abusive software TOSs the sale was/is not self executing/binding/changed after the fact. The city chose to enter into it with their eyes open.

But the government can unilaterally end other peoples contracts and forcibly acquire property. Why does it then follow that they must follow a contract that they could otherwise end just by giving it away and compulsorily acquiring it back? Its like a pet bear that is allowed to eat from the floor but not when the meat is dangled over its nose. Imagine a scenario where the government is building a rail line from A to…

Sounds like government should consider that before choosing to enter into contracts that constrain them then doesn't it? If it needs the flexibility it should not choose to limit the flexibility voluntarily and contractually.

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Post by mlyle »

Leonard_of_Q wrote: post #535
mlyle wrote: post #377

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Waste heat from power plants isn’t always useful because it is low grade heat… but it is still much, much, much better than the 35-60C water you could get from a data center.

That is what you use the heat pumps for, to transform what you call "low-grade heat" to... "higher-grade heat"? The COP for a heat pump doing such a transformation can be very high, i.e. for a relatively low power input you get a lot of gain.

Do the math on pumping 40C water any distance in a loop. It is hard to make it worth it. The water cools off and the pumping takes significant energy, plus the pump and all the piping cost something.

Then using a heat pump on it makes it even worse.

Low grade heat source is not a term I made up- it refers to heat sources under 100C.

Even much hotter low grade heat usually goes unused. You usually need a perfect confluence of a warmer source, very close need for building heat, and a willingness to pay more for environmental friendliness for it all to work out.

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