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Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Post by bigbuppo »

IAmBroom wrote: post #540
bigbuppo wrote: post #277

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> I don’t want to pay the extra penalties of reduced structural rigidity and water tightness for a battery that I don’t need to replace for 3-4 years anyway. What are you doing to your phone that needs all that? Using it as a hammer? Temporary support while building a tunnel?

Dropping it by accident. I sometimes venture away from the carpeted floor of my computer.

And if they had to make it thicker to support a battery door then they would have more internal support. You know, like old phones used to have.

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Post by danaw »

infecto wrote: post #451
danaw wrote: post #381

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many others in the comments have this same issue (and the internet at large). my point is just that it's not obvious that apple has met this claim with real world devices. it will be seen how the actual requirements will be validated, likely in a way that favors the "best case" scenario for apple.

Doubtful if only because that would fall under warranty then. There is a financial incentive for that to not happen. I imagine this is a situation where the complaints seem a lot more frequent because it’s a complaint. The mass of phones that don’t have an issue will not show up in public forum data.

since these companies know this data perhaps they need to be audited to see what the ground truth reality is

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Post by i_am_jl »

bonestamp2 wrote: post #124
luqtas wrote: post #80

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not if they manage to find a screw head that can only be opened by a clean, minimalist, proprietary, expensive Apple screwdriver

You joke but... https://www.homedepot.com/p/Lukyamzn-P2-P5-P6-Pentalobe-Scre... At first it looks like a normal torx head, but then you realize it has 5 lobes instead of 6. Apple used these on early iPhone models when you actually could open them with this proprietary screwdriver.

I honestly had no idea that Apple had moved on from the Pentalobe.

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Post by vile_wretch »

alt227 wrote: post #131
vile_wretch wrote: post #57

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Adding more holes to a surface isn't going to make it more waterproof

Tell that to boat hull riveters

Lol yeah I'm sure drilling out a bunch of rivets would be much better than "adhesives and prying"

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Post by ccorcos »

lelanthran wrote: post #529
eqvinox wrote: post #433

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JFTR: achieving that capacity retention is a question of charge settings. Pretty much any Lithium ion battery can achieve it if you don't charge it to the absolute maximum possible each time. It's quite simple. While you can charge a "good old" Lithium ion battery to 4.2V, you already start getting slow degradation at that point. Charging it to 4.1V or 4.05V massively reduces that. But at the same time, those 100 or…

> JFTR: achieving that capacity retention is a question of charge settings. Pretty much any Lithium ion battery can achieve it if you don't charge it to the absolute maximum possible each time. Thats great news - manufacturers who want to ship sealed phones have to charge intelligently. In fact, I'd take this constraint: > There's an exception for batteries that "retain at least 80% of its original capacity after 1,0…

Next thing you know, someone on hacker news will be posting about how they reverse engineered their iPhone so they could charge the battery 10x faster! Everyone will complain about Apple being a walled garden and how regulation nerfed their batteries and how we should be in control of the things we buy and be able to modify them…

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Post by cicko »

nickpp wrote: post #525
cicko wrote: post #162

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I hate when a technocrat at a multi-billion dollar company makes those decisions, maximizing profit and not giving a fuck about any other criteria.

> I hate when a technocrat at a multi-billion dollar company makes those decisions Really?! So instead of the person hired and paid specifically to select and decide what the product should cost, look and work like, the person whose very pay depends on how well she chooses those product features for you - instead you'd rather have a faceless nameless bureaucrat who never pays the cost of his wrong decisions, who inst…

Everything you've written can be turned around, swapping companies and authorities. Those working in a public administration are serving the public while those working in a private company are serving themselves (and the shareholders).

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Post by Angostura »

inanutshellus wrote: post #177
Angostura wrote: post #118

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> Or dropping them in their toilets? That. It’s also nice to be able to wash them under the tap

Notably a bigger problem for women who must put their phones in their back pockets due to having no/small pockets in front.

Or me - top shirt pocket

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Post by badsectoracula »

jamesnorden wrote: post #312
badsectoracula wrote: post #191

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Unfortunately it is from 2022, meaning no OS upgrades. I think the next mandatory laws EU should pass is that manufacturers should either allow people to upgrade/replace the OS by themselves or provide mandatory upgrades for the next decade (i don't care how the manufacturers handle it, that's up to them, but the easiest way out of such a law is to allow people upgrade/replace the OS by themselves).

>Unfortunately it is from 2022, meaning no OS upgrades. I like how you didn't even bother checking if that was true.

I did check gsmarena and it looked to me that it cannot get the latest Android.

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Post by badsectoracula »

encom wrote: post #303
badsectoracula wrote: post #191

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Unfortunately it is from 2022, meaning no OS upgrades. I think the next mandatory laws EU should pass is that manufacturers should either allow people to upgrade/replace the OS by themselves or provide mandatory upgrades for the next decade (i don't care how the manufacturers handle it, that's up to them, but the easiest way out of such a law is to allow people upgrade/replace the OS by themselves).

>Unfortunately it is from 2022, meaning no OS upgrades. False. This is my work phone and the last update was less than a month ago. It's still supported.

When i wrote that comment i checked gsmarena and it looked to me that it cannot get the latest Android, meaning that even if it gets some minor version upgrade, it wont be long before that stops.
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