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Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Post by badsectoracula »

ratiolat wrote: post #44
foolfoolz wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i’m ok with this and an $80 battery replacement in exchange for better waterproofing

IP68, replaceable battery, phone jack, 5G: https://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_xcover6_pro-11600.php

Unfortunately it is from 2022, meaning no OS upgrades.

I think the next mandatory laws EU should pass is that manufacturers should either allow people to upgrade/replace the OS by themselves or provide mandatory upgrades for the next decade (i don't care how the manufacturers handle it, that's up to them, but the easiest way out of such a law is to allow people upgrade/replace the OS by themselves).

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Post by tamimio »

I want a phone with li-ion 18650! Because having a replaceable batteries won’t prevent the manufacturer from increasing those batteries prices so it’s equal to non replaceable ones. It would be great to have 18650 as a standard in all electronics, so you just carry dozens of them when you go out and you are set up for the weekend, no recharging, maybe even add hot swap too.

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Post by john01dav »

chroma wrote: post #156
toasty228 wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh yeah so it's utter trash and not worthy of our attention. Imagine carrying a whole 58 grams more, during a whole day, impossible for the average tech worker's atrophied muscles

The point is that people have different preferences, so the EU should not force people to buy phones with removable batteries. People who want such features can buy those phones, and people who want smaller, thinner phones can buy ones with integrated batteries. At most the EU should tax externalities like electronic waste, though that would be a rounding error compared to the cost of the phone itself.

Such phones with removable batteries are incredibly rare, such that finding one is quite likely to fail if you have any other concerns at all.

If a truly well made phone was common and made by many people, then there'd be much less argument for this regulation.

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Post by drivebyhooting »

ThrowawayR2 wrote: post #78
wmf wrote: post #7

There's an exception for batteries that "retain at least 80% of its original capacity after 1,000 charge cycles." Coincidentally, iPhones and probably other flagships already qualify for this exception.

Doesn't seem like a problem. Assuming the phone needs recharging every 3 days, that's 80% capacity remaining after ~8.2 years; longer than the OS is likely to be supported. Assuming a recharge every 2 days, that's 80% capacity remaining after ~5.5 years.

My iPhone is less than 1 year old and I have to charge it every day.

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Post by InfinityByTen »

infecto wrote: post #111

This is a waste of money. All flagship phones have hit the requirements so do not need to make them removable. It might impact some of the budget garbage but not yet clear. All this will do is increase compliance costs.

I'm not sure I have a way to fact-check this, but the link claims

> That is significantly more than many batteries on the market today can achieve (often around 500–800 cycles).

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Post by jodleif »

badsectoracula wrote: post #191
ratiolat wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IP68, replaceable battery, phone jack, 5G: https://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_xcover6_pro-11600.php

Unfortunately it is from 2022, meaning no OS upgrades. I think the next mandatory laws EU should pass is that manufacturers should either allow people to upgrade/replace the OS by themselves or provide mandatory upgrades for the next decade (i don't care how the manufacturers handle it, that's up to them, but the easiest way out of such a law is to allow people upgrade/replace the OS by themselves).

Would be really nice. Seems like even android is getting more and more locked down

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Post by drstewart »

danaw wrote: post #157
infecto wrote: post #111

This is a waste of money. All flagship phones have hit the requirements so do not need to make them removable. It might impact some of the budget garbage but not yet clear. All this will do is increase compliance costs.

based on many comments in this thread your statement is not accurate. for example my iphone 15 pro is at 83% with 654 cycles. clearly it will drop below 80% in less than 1000 cycles

The bar clearly won't be "any random person's phone meeting this criteria", so what your specific phone does doesn't really matter.

Re: Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Post by elzbardico »

alt227 wrote: post #140
Aurornis wrote: post #24

As others have mentioned this is for phones with batteries that can’t survive a reasonable number of cycles. That’s a reasonable exemption, in my opinion. I don’t want to pay the extra penalties of reduced structural rigidity and water tightness for a battery that I don’t need to replace for 3-4 years anyway. I do wish one manufacturer would make a flagship phone with replaceable battery so all of the uncompromising…

> a battery that I don’t need to replace for 3-4 years anyway. This is not just about battery replacement. I used to keep several fully charged batteries stocked in my rucksack whenever I went hiking or anywhere else that was remote. After a day of taking photos in the wild its nice to be able to just chuck in a fresh batttery and off you go. I feel like this feature of phones was not only lost, but pretty much forgo…

External battery banks are a far superior solution now that almost everything has standardized on USB and we have power banks supporting high speed charging.

They can be charged with the same power adapter you use to charge your phone, without the need of an extra docking thing.

They can be used to charge any USB-chargeable device.

They are not tied to your specific model, and thus you're not vendor locked with them, making them cheaper and easier to find anywhere in the world.

They come in multiple capacities, allowing you to plan in advance your energy needs and choose the right size bank for your situation.

They are far more sturdier than any modern battery, which makes them more resistant to puncture and bending.

They don't have external contacts that could potentially short in contact with conductive surfaces.

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