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Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by cteiosanu »

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #169

I like it how everyone says that, but there is no european cloud operator able to offer what AWS/GCP/Azure offer. And if you are a start-up and you want to grow, the situation is even more dire. And without a few hundreds of billions of EUR invested _today_ there will still be at least a decade until basic infrastructure will be somewhat on par with current day hyperscalers from the US. And Office suite wise, it took…

It didn't make sense to have a Tier 1 cloud providers. EU using US tech and services was the social contract for the ally level cooperation. The moment this relationship goes towards the adversary level Tier 1 cloud and the rest of dependencies (and defense/ will be developed in house, no matter if the future administration is a Dems one. The point to take away is the change of direction in the EU as slow and as costly as that might be. Now it's a security issue.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by tartoran »

cmenge wrote: post #498

1. Europe doesn't have comparable offerings. The amount of money invested is below what a single hyperscaler spends per quarter. (StackIT might be on track to change that looking at the pure numbers) 2. European politicians still seem to believe it's about renting compute and storage; they seem to have little understanding of what "a cloud offering" really is; the EU has less than 5% of GPUs, supposedly 3. For health…

Europe doesn’t have similar offerings because they never had a chance to or need to compete Silicon Valley. Now that the cats out of the bag, offerings can simply materialize out of the really high demand for homegrown solutions, EU have a large population after all. US Tech really went off the rails in the last year or last few years, it simply cannot be trusted anymore. Even if such offerings may lag a little behind, they still look like a better proposition. EU is in a similar situation with respect to self defense, they have to step up to the plate and start building their own.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by jamesbelchamber »

vga42 wrote: post #538
cmenge wrote: post #498

1. Europe doesn't have comparable offerings. The amount of money invested is below what a single hyperscaler spends per quarter. (StackIT might be on track to change that looking at the pure numbers) 2. European politicians still seem to believe it's about renting compute and storage; they seem to have little understanding of what "a cloud offering" really is; the EU has less than 5% of GPUs, supposedly 3. For health…

>OpenStack by Huawei If you mean to say that OpenStack is made by Huawei, that is not true. They are a major contributor and a platinum member of that open source project, though.

OpenStack was created by NASA and Rackspace, both very American..

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by christophilus »

tzs wrote: post #527
ExoticPearTree wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In politics things work differently: you have people that "spat on each other" today and tomorrow they'll act like they are brothers and the spitting never happened.

What's different this time is that the US has an extensive system of checks and balances that nearly everyone thought would make the current situation impossible, and now we are learning that they aren't nearly as effective as we thought. No matter how reasonable the next few administrations are it is hard to see anyone else trusting the US nearly as much as they did before 2024.

This has been creeping up on us for some time. For my entire life, the US executive branch has done nothing but accumulate powers and slowly undermine constitutional checks and balances. It’s all fun and games while your guy does it, but it’s inevitable that you’ll get someone in power who you don’t want. That’s the entire point of the checks and balances, but few seemed to care until now. Even if we get a “normal” president after this, I’d bet a lot of money that he/she won’t do anything to reduce the power of the executive.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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cmenge wrote: post #498

1. Europe doesn't have comparable offerings. The amount of money invested is below what a single hyperscaler spends per quarter. (StackIT might be on track to change that looking at the pure numbers) 2. European politicians still seem to believe it's about renting compute and storage; they seem to have little understanding of what "a cloud offering" really is; the EU has less than 5% of GPUs, supposedly 3. For health…

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Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by generic92034 »

tokai wrote: post #525
littlestymaar wrote: post #333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> like containing Russia without having to rely on the whims of another country's politics That's true, but at the same time it was probably already the case before invasion of Ukraine, and it is definitely the case now. The main issue is political fragmentation: would Paris and Berlin risk lives of French and German people (soldiers and civilians due to retaliation) to save Vilnius? But if the answer is true (as obl…

>would Paris and Berlin risk lives of French and German people (soldiers and civilians due to retaliation) to save Vilnius? Yes very much.

Absolutely:

https://www.bundeswehr.de/en/news/eastern-flank-new-brigade-...

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by atmosx »

Etheryte wrote: post #265
tryauuum wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

when you compare IT stuff to cars, the discussion pivots to discussing cars, please think twice before using any analogies / comparisons with the physical world

But discussing cars is great, just like the Porsche 964 Carrera 4 Jubilee.

Or the Porsche 356 A. Or the Alfa Romeo Giulia sprint veloce.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by rvnx »

kaveh_h wrote: post #481
rvnx wrote: post #306

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not that guaranteed. The reality is that if you have any interest, company or employees in the US you can be coerced to do anything the US government wants. Either legally through courts, or through business influence, or through harassment (e.g. hardcore checks from the IRS). Sorry, Stripe rejects you now because you are high-risk (you have to explain why you refuse to help in criminal cases, though there is a…

Any company opting for building digital sovereign systems should build a redundant and decentralized organization so that in worst case the company can split up its operations geographically to avoid being in the crosshairs of any host countries government.

Absolutely, but imagine, Zuckerberg creates a new company:

    "Storm" -> "the European end to end encrypted privacy-conscious messenger app"
Now, an US court, requests data from that project to protect an imminent attack where people are going to die.

He refuses, his company refuses, everybody refuses.

Do you think he can evade US justice even if the company is incorporated in the EU ?

Collaborating is the path of least resistance, and as long as you can claim somewhat "we didn't have any choice, we were coerced" then you are fine. This is also why Apple, Google, Meta, NordVPN, etc, are all collaborating with the infamous FBI DITU group.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by zkmon »

A story I read goes thus: A nicely dressed young man was waiting at a bus stop in a rural part of India. He need go to a nearby city. Suddenly clouds gathered and it started to pour down heavily. He took shelter in a chai (tea) shed beside the bus stop. The chaiwala (tea shop owner) announced that the bus is cancelled for the day as road was damaged due to the heavy rain. The young man looked worried and tried to go by walk in the rain. Chaiwala warned that rain would get only heavier. Young man returned and sat back. Other people ordered more chai. Due to more demand for chai, the chai jar (tea granules) got empty. Chaiwala commanded the worker boy to run to a shop that is half-mile away and get more chai packs. The boy sprinted out as if there was no rain. He came back in half hour, fully soaked, starry-eyed, with tea packs in his hand. Young man gets up and starts walking out. Chaiwala was shouting that winds and rain are going to persist the whole day. Young man didn't listen, and didn't feel the rain.
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