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Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by lelanthran »

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #394
lelanthran wrote: post #376

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> My point was that even with Google's money, they're still not on par with MS even if the Office files format has been standardized for a number of years. The counterpoint is that they don't need to be on par :-/ The problem is that individual procurement decision-makers are incentivised to go with the Microsoft suite, not that the alternatives aren't a good enough replacement.

I'd say they are incentivized to go with the suite that offers the most compatibility with their clients and partners.

> I'd say they are incentivized to go with the suite that offers the most compatibility with their clients and partners.

If that were true, they'd have ditched Microsoft already. Since they didn't, I'm skeptical that that is their incentive.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by albert_e »

thibaut_barrere wrote: post #208
albert_e wrote: post #185

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It's not just geographic regions around the globe. It is also the wide array of services -- well integrated into their primitives of security, authentication, governance, monitoring and logging, etc Is there a EU cloud provider that provides -- even if limited to EU geography -- the equivalent of Blob Storage + Azure Data Lake Storage + Azure Data Factory or Fabric + Microsoft Foundry with native access to OpenAI and…

Having used both worlds: a lot of the provided features come with strong vendor lock-in, and in most cases that not, with slightly stronger “local” engineering you can reach the same targets and needs locally. The more I work (started coding 40 years ago, and data engineering 25 years ago), the more I favor designs that are less coupled to cloud features. If you do so, the offering in the EU just as it is now is well…

This is sane advice but maintaining strong internal engineering and IT teams is not everone's cup of tea; even organizations gthat intend and try to do this cannot achieve it -- and furthermore the big cloud operators have spent millions of dollars spreading the gospel that the only correct way to survive and build is to migrate to cloud and use their lego building blocks.

A lot of the justification for moving away from own datacenters and heavy in-house engineering teams actually makes sense to organizations of many shapes and sizes. If the core business is not technology -- it is hard to stay invested in a in-house cloud-agnostic engineeringc capability.

The world has more or less accepted this reality and adopted the services like S3 and managed databases, and tight integration with the likes of Microsoft Entra/Purview/Sharepoint/O365 etc for ready-to-use business integrations. Prying organizations away from taht convenience is going to be hard. But the current environment cretaed due to lack of trust in US could the strongest motivator ever to push businesses and nations in that direction. I reckon it will be a long and painful process though.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by hilios »

cmenge wrote: post #498

1. Europe doesn't have comparable offerings. The amount of money invested is below what a single hyperscaler spends per quarter. (StackIT might be on track to change that looking at the pure numbers) 2. European politicians still seem to believe it's about renting compute and storage; they seem to have little understanding of what "a cloud offering" really is; the EU has less than 5% of GPUs, supposedly 3. For health…

What incarcerations in Germany are you referring to?

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by spiderfarmer »

philipallstar wrote: post #500
kaffekaka wrote: post #454

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The massive sanctions he's placing on Russian oil make that impossible to believe.

You must be one of the few who still believes what Trump says to the media after nearly 100k proven lies.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by tokai »

littlestymaar wrote: post #333
dmix wrote: post #303

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> we have noticed power dynamics which weren't well guarded against in the old way The clearest example is a dependency on a single wealthy nation for military and world policing. It's a good thing for individual countries to be able to project their own foreign policy goals like containing Russia without having to rely on the whims of another country's politics. Even here in Canada we should be able to defend their…

> like containing Russia without having to rely on the whims of another country's politics That's true, but at the same time it was probably already the case before invasion of Ukraine, and it is definitely the case now. The main issue is political fragmentation: would Paris and Berlin risk lives of French and German people (soldiers and civilians due to retaliation) to save Vilnius? But if the answer is true (as obl…

>would Paris and Berlin risk lives of French and German people (soldiers and civilians due to retaliation) to save Vilnius?

Yes very much.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by aerhardt »

bborud wrote: post #144
atmosx wrote: post #38

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Comparing EU cloud providers to AWS is like comparing a 1963 Zastava to 2025 high end BYD because both of them are cars and can drive from point A to point B.

Well, if the Zastava had 5-10x the amount of horsepower and storage space of the BYD for the same amount of money. Because that’s what is often the reality. Bare metal is unreasonably efficient compared to cloud services for not that much more know-how. I do tech DD work for investment funds etc and one thing I often see are slow, complex and expensive AWS-heavy architectures that optimize for problems the company do…

Hetzner doesn't even have an RDS service. I've heard rumors for years but they haven't done it. Also, while I agree that leaning too much on the cloud leads to lock-in - this is an abstract concept that needs to be guarded against when managing technology, always, anyway - and vendor-driven hellish architectures, "vanilla cloud" offers other conveniences other than compute, bucket, storage managed and load balancers, like IAM, good CLIs, secrets management, etc. Only Scaleway or OVH seem to be timidly developing what I would consider "vanilla cloud".

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Post by tzs »

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #260
generic92034 wrote: post #224

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> There’s a chance that the current situation will start to resolve itself in 3 years and we go back to normal, however that might look. There is almost no chance for that, as lost trust does not return instantly.

In politics things work differently: you have people that "spat on each other" today and tomorrow they'll act like they are brothers and the spitting never happened.

What's different this time is that the US has an extensive system of checks and balances that nearly everyone thought would make the current situation impossible, and now we are learning that they aren't nearly as effective as we thought.

No matter how reasonable the next few administrations are it is hard to see anyone else trusting the US nearly as much as they did before 2024.

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Post by spiderfarmer »

allarm wrote: post #505
Zigurd wrote: post #413

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True but obv. Only lunatics would use a Russian cloud service. The interesting part is whether and what extent China is different. Also, why Europe should start treating us like Russians.

> why Europe should start treating us like Russians. I don't know, maybe because your president is a dangerous lunatic? I really enjoy these "are we the baddies?" moments.

I’m not sure he’s getting it yet. Maybe he’s just not personally affected yet.

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Post by throwaway902984 »

philipallstar wrote: post #500
kaffekaka wrote: post #454

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The massive sanctions he's placing on Russian oil make that impossible to believe.

I think it is fair to separate putin and russia. I mean, I don't think he uses our society as proxy for his own ego. I think he really likes Putin.

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Post by wokkel »

philipallstar wrote: post #500
kaffekaka wrote: post #454

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The massive sanctions he's placing on Russian oil make that impossible to believe.

Those can also be explained by favouring usa/venezuela oil while still supporting Russian politics. For example: in the Ukraine war he is constantly seeking ways and arguments to support putins position even though he is one of the few leaders worldwide who do this.
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