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Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by pjc50 »

neonsunset wrote: post #398
gardenhedge wrote: post #390

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it not currently asp.net core?

.NET is kind of like JVM but also usually includes an SDK, a build system and a package manager (NuGet), when people use the term. It is then targeted by various languages: C#, F#, VB.NET and smaller projects - anything that emits "canonical" .NET assemblies (that use IL) works. ASP.NET Core is a web framework for .NET, it's distributed with SDK so "comes out of box". EF Core is an ORM framework, it does not come out…

> ASP.NET Core is a web framework for .NET

ASP.NET Core is not a web framework for .NET; it's at least four different web frameworks you can choose between. It's more like the overarching branding for anything web-related in the dotnet ecosystem.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/aspnet/core/tutorials/choo...

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by user_7832 »

akr4s1a wrote: post #287
user_7832 wrote: post #41

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In the past a few Snapdragon 8 Gen x chip dev kits have had Linux support if I recall correctly. I'd love to have built a device out of them but they seem quite expensive unfortunately for consumers ($800-1000, often from grey market sources). It's nonetheless good to see Linux support.

Snapdragon 8cx Gen 3 chip laptops are only just getting there. Last time I tried to daily it maybe 6 months ago, they didn't even have hardware rendering on the GPU, everything was rendered on the CPU. Ubuntu and Armbian have custom images for the x13s, no idea about the Volterra but it's much worse than the windows on ARM experience for that laptop and that's saying something.

That's disappointing :(

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by Toutouxc »

shmerl wrote: post #244
drevil-v2 wrote: post #87

Being the designated "tech" person for my extended family and friends circle, I don't think I could recommend this to any of them because of the privacy nightmare. At least with Apple you have a single vendor who is vertically integrated and makes a huge song and dance about data privacy. Even if you discount their PR and marketing spin, IMHO you are still miles ahead of the likes of Microsoft + (pick one) HP, Asus,…

Privacy oriented users are already using Linux.

I can think of exactly four non-IT people in my life who don't run Windows, all of them are family members and I personally talked them into Macs.

In my social bubble, no one runs [desktop] Linux. No one knows Linux. No one cares about Linux.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by raxxorraxor »

WuxiFingerHold wrote: post #491
bambax wrote: post #272

> We set out to solve one of the most frustrating problems we encounter daily – finding something we know we have seen before on our PC. Today, we must remember what file folder it was stored in, what website it was on, or scroll through hundreds of emails trying to find it. It is indeed frustrating that one still cannot search effectively a local device, but it doesn't need AI to solve. It needs a proper search engi…

Yep, but fd and rg work fine on Windows. However those CLI tools are not for pure Windows people, I admit.

There is locate32, which also builds an index, but then is blazingly fast. Windows does build an index too, but it doesn't feel like it uses it in any way.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by avidphantasm »

CTDOCodebases wrote: post #455
pelagicAustral wrote: post #173

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See the hellish naming and branding they've done with the .NET ecosystem... It is so convoluted, even people actively developing on their stacks would have and issue figuring out if they are downloading the right stuff.

Microsoft appearingly random naming conventions make me want to actively avoid using their products because I know the web searches will be heavily polluted. I thought big companies like this would have some sort of internal committee that decides if a new products branding makes it easier for customers to understand what the product is and where it fits in their offerings.

Having had to come up with a name for a corporate product and deal with things like trademarking, I can understand why they seem to repurpose names frequently. It is enormously time consuming to generate, vet, and apply for a trademark. There are so many other products and names and trademarks out there that it’s no wonder drug companies end up with unpronounceable gibberish for new product names.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by neonsunset »

pjc50 wrote: post #551
neonsunset wrote: post #398

Earlier quoted context omitted.

.NET is kind of like JVM but also usually includes an SDK, a build system and a package manager (NuGet), when people use the term. It is then targeted by various languages: C#, F#, VB.NET and smaller projects - anything that emits "canonical" .NET assemblies (that use IL) works. ASP.NET Core is a web framework for .NET, it's distributed with SDK so "comes out of box". EF Core is an ORM framework, it does not come out…

> ASP.NET Core is a web framework for .NET ASP.NET Core is not a web framework for .NET; it's at least four different web frameworks you can choose between. It's more like the overarching branding for anything web-related in the dotnet ecosystem. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/aspnet/core/tutorials/choo...

Kind of?

All these, effectively, plug into ASP.NET Core, on top of WebApplicationBuilder and WebApplication. They are then, usually, hosted with Kestrel (web server) and operate with the same set of abstractions. Razor Pages and Blazor are distinct names and I have never seen anyone confuse them with the ASP.NET Core itself.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by proactivesvcs »

throw7 wrote: post #304

"You are always in control with privacy you can trust." Sure Jan. Maybe Microsoft should start with proving to us they can actually can keep their private keys secure for starters.

We're not always in control when telemetry cannot be turned off, when informed consent cannot be given, when choices are repeatedly overridden. They've proven this time and time again, as well as being unable to keep their own house in order.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by Dalewyn »

Toutouxc wrote: post #545
Dalewyn wrote: post #381

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>Those are clearly not the gamers I am talking about. You specified gamers , you should have explicitly specified PC gamers if they are who you referred to. Note that PC gamers are, as much as they deny it, a minority of out of all gamers as a whole. The vast majority of gamers play on mobile or consoles, and of those mobile far outnumbers consoles too. Consoles can also switch processor architectures with the changi…

> mobile far outnumbers consoles too That didn't sound correct to me, and I found an article [0] that says the numbers are pretty similar. I play some games on PC+PS5 and some on mobile, so I'd probably count as both a mobile and "legacy" gamer, but if I had to choose one gaming market to immediately disappear from the face of the earth, it would be mobile gaming for me, absolutely. [0] https://business.yougov.com/co…

The graph is misleading because they group PC and consoles together against mobile. That implies mobile would slaughter both of those segments individually.

It's also missing some very important markets like Japan and South Korea, presumably included in "48 markets multi-market average" but not explicitly shown individually. Makes one wonder, eh? :V

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by dustincoates »

vel0city wrote: post #328
jonathankoren wrote: post #239

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> Their "copilot" brand is so weird and... muddled. It’s Watson. Ha ha, only serious. You’re right. It feels like an umbrella brand they’re just tossing around, because AI — and Copilot in particular — is hot in Redmond. I find the new Copilot key funny, because it feels like a pantomime of the Windows 95 keys[0], but with Logitech characteristics. [*] Okay, it’s been 30 years. I haven’t used a Windows computer in al…

I use it a lot. Win and start typing to launch just about any app or open any document is really handy. Win and a number key launches or switches to that app pinned at that position on the taskbar. Win+L locks the screen whenever I get up from my desk. Win+Shift+S starts the screen clipper. Win+Left/Right snaps an app from one side to the other, win+shift+left/right switches between desktops, Win+Tab lets me drag app…

Win+V is the one I use the most: it brings up the clipboard history.
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