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Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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staticassertion wrote: post #366
mFixman wrote: post #334

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A Google Employee working from home could save $200/day versus getting a fancy limousine to go to work. Nobody buys prepared food every day, and the costs of food are negligible for a Google employee.

> Nobody buys prepared food every day, and the costs of food are negligible for a Google employee. Of course they do? When I've been crunching, like just putting insane hours in, I've gone weeks without cooking and just ordering in. It costs a fortune, even at Google salary - or in my case, 'SF' salary. Not to mention the cost of living is already absurd due to rent - your salary gets eaten up faster than you might i…

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Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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ryanSrich wrote: post #448
Elora wrote: post #319

Some here are being honest, so I'll be brutally honest: Covid has upset the master-slave relationship, and they're realizing they're giving up too much control. Yes, even the supposedly forward-thinking, progressive tech world. It's so much easier to ignore the BS of "company culture," "a new family" and other such nonsense when working remote. Plenty of people here have outright stated they work as a way to fund the…

100%. A lot of the people here commenting that they like forced in person work don’t realize they’re indoctrinated.

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Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by WalterBright »

Nbox9 wrote: post #51

I work for another company that is going to do a partial return to office. I will be looking at options for companies that offer full in person office (or 90% in person office) after things settle down. I have worked full remote for a total of 5 years of my career, and I believe working in the office is a competitive advantage. * Overhearing hallway conversations (and joining them) helps spawn invocation. * I often d…

Working remote means:

* the rest of the company tends to forget you exist

* you tend to get the blame

* out of sight, out of mind

* fewer promotions

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by lolgatekeeping »

colinmorelli wrote: post #252
pseudalopex wrote: post #194

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Preferring to spend time with friends and family is normal. It doesn't mean someone's coworkers are so toxic that regular interaction with them is an ordeal.

That very sentence has already suggested that your coworkers are not your friends (or else they'd be in the group of "friends and family" that you enjoy spending time with). I think the very point of GP is that there are many people who do, in fact, develop friendships with their coworkers.

Why do they have to be? It is strange that there is some unspoken stipulation that they NEED to be to have a good working relationship. I can talk to my co-workers about why webpack sucks without wanting to cook with them.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by winrid »

crossroadsguy wrote: post #161
Nbox9 wrote: post #51

I work for another company that is going to do a partial return to office. I will be looking at options for companies that offer full in person office (or 90% in person office) after things settle down. I have worked full remote for a total of 5 years of my career, and I believe working in the office is a competitive advantage. * Overhearing hallway conversations (and joining them) helps spawn invocation. * I often d…

> I had a stronger work/life separation. I rarely turned on my work laptop at home. This is single biggest reason I want to go back to office. In fact it already has started to feel weird that my home is my work place as well. Even if my work place remains fully remote I’ll find some other place to work from but never some place as shitty as WeWork. Maybe I will rent a cheaper smaller place nearby if I don’t find a s…

Have you tried setting boundaries and being disciplined about it?

I've had to tell people - I won't reply after 5, and no meetings then. People still tried to setup 530, even 730pm meetings all the time (not even during crunch time). Instant decline lol

We don't make enough time for our own lives. Hell, it's hard enough to find time to actually make an enjoy a dinner.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by fshbbdssbbgdd »

onion2k wrote: post #451
staticassertion wrote: post #361

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When Dropbox served food I valued it at 50k, ie: in order fro a company to poach me, given they don't have food, that's 50k they'd have to make up for. While I don't spend anywhere near 4k a month on food, there were a few things to consider: a) 3 meals prepared for me saves me time and money. I love to cook but I don't have tons of time anymore and I don't have a a good kitchen. If I want to save time via delivery I…

I can see the appeal of this if you're living alone or with some housemates who also live that lifestyle, but I can't see it working if you have a girlfriend or boyfriend unless they also work for a company that caters all their meals too. Otherwise you'd never get a chance to have breakfast or dinner together. That would suck. I wonder, on some deeply dystopian level, if tech companies do this on purpose to keep the…

I don’t think they are trying to keep the employees single, but they are definitely trying to get them to spend more time in the office.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by fshbbdssbbgdd »

wikibob wrote: post #433
staticassertion wrote: post #361

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When Dropbox served food I valued it at 50k, ie: in order fro a company to poach me, given they don't have food, that's 50k they'd have to make up for. While I don't spend anywhere near 4k a month on food, there were a few things to consider: a) 3 meals prepared for me saves me time and money. I love to cook but I don't have tons of time anymore and I don't have a a good kitchen. If I want to save time via delivery I…

Does Dropbox no longer serve food?

They went full remote.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by lolgatekeeping »

Solvitieg wrote: post #155
k-mcgrady wrote: post #60

"Cook wrapped up the memo by saying that he's looking forward to seeing employee faces. "I know I'm not alone in missing the hum of activity, the energy, creativity and collaboration of our in-person meetings and the sense of community we've all built," he wrote." CEO's all spout the same nonsense. The majority of people work because they need to earn money. They're not working to make a new 'family' or change the wo…

Considering that we spend most of our day doing this "work" thing, I find it much more tolerable to view my coworkers as close friends and my career as an opportunity. This is especially easy in such a privileged sector as tech where pay is excellent, office life is compelling, and work is challenging and exciting. I don't know how people survive day-to-day with a perspective like yours. I get that people can get ful…

I don't know how people survive day-to-day with a perspective like yours. Work is life is equally as toxic. Some people don't have the same values as you... shocking.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by antpls »

pochamago wrote: post #69
k-mcgrady wrote: post #60

"Cook wrapped up the memo by saying that he's looking forward to seeing employee faces. "I know I'm not alone in missing the hum of activity, the energy, creativity and collaboration of our in-person meetings and the sense of community we've all built," he wrote." CEO's all spout the same nonsense. The majority of people work because they need to earn money. They're not working to make a new 'family' or change the wo…

There are also plenty of people who like their coworkers and enjoy spending time with them each day. I don't think everybody finds work to be an unfulfilling drain on their leisure time

Great, but that's not a reason to force people who don't want to do it
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