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Post by KirinDave »

barkingcat wrote: post #488
KirinDave wrote: post #486

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Are they using 2.5gb drives? I know they make very small spinning drives now for custom gear.

Think about it - 1 or 2 TB hybrid drive ? Do you think very small spinning drives come in that size? and would they pay for custom gear vs just going with an SSD (which can also be custom sized too don't forget)? Microsoft has a lot of money, but I'm not sure that's where they should spend their money. An SSD in m.2 size is expensive, but less expensive than getting all custom gear. This is about thinking things thro…

... But that's precisely what a hybrid drive can be, except with more work to make it so the user doesn't have to juggle things by hand...

I am no longer a professional (as in, primary income) photographer, but I was and trying to keep all my work on the "right" drive was about as fun as weddings.

Btw sorry I said 2.5gb but that was mobile correcting 2.5in.

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by h1srf »

leadingthenet wrote: post #545
h1srf wrote: post #355

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I really wanted to like the SB but I didn't like that it doesn't have a full keyboard with End, Home, PgUp, PgDown. It's not that there isn't space to include them. I ended up returning it. For something that I paid $3k for it was a dealbreaker.

People actually use those buttons?! Genuinely curious.

Yup, I use them a lot of in Excel. Outside of Excel, End to go to the end of the line and Home to go to the beginning. Ctrl+Home, Ctrl+End to go to the beginning/end of a file.

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by Eridrus »

pritambaral wrote: post #514
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I'm a bit of a WSL fanboy, but this is the right advice if you're not a windows user normally. When it works, it's great, but some things just don't work and you're stuck. I've found the WSL devs to be fairly responsive, but not to everything. However, I've found open source projects to be pretty responsive to bug reports of their projects running on WSL; it's far easier for them to support that than support a native…

For the good of the world, I hope no one except Windows has to deal with WSL specific code. When programs start to have to include WSL specific code, the 'extend' part of EEE has begun. While it would be foolish to believe a few programs here and there including support for WSL means doom, it is certainly not the right direction.

Usually it's issues with assumptions about the completeness of the platform; e.g. ZeroMQ assumes that if it's on a UNIX-ey platform it should use UNIX sockets rather than TCP and doesn't check to see if it's actually supported.

I'm not very familiar with OSX, but I'd be surprised if there weren't differences between it and mainline Linux that needed special care and I see this as similar.

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by d3ckard »

hifigi wrote: post #538
d3ckard wrote: post #338

Great hardware, interface ideas look really interesting too. This could actually be some vision that can get mainstream in the future. I would seriously consider buying one, if not for one thing - OS. After recently installing Windows on Bootcamp I can honestly say that I hate the thing. It made me swear constantly for 15 minutes. I wish MS finally wrote a new OS from scratch. They seem to have the right idea about w…

Everything Windows is so entrenched in eating its own dogfood, so it probably will never change. But what I wouldn't give for a ground-up POSIX-compliant Windows OS. It's stupid, it's unrealistic, but it would be so, so awesome.

For me it's not even about being unix-like (though sounds nice). I would just want them to get rid of all the legacy garbage and start from scratch. They have nice design language, good programming environment, multiple platforms - everything is dandy. The only problem is all the stuff left for compatibility reasons.

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Post by helthanatos »

rickyc091 wrote: post #398
helthanatos wrote: post #372

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They should have jumped ship from Apple by now. What design programs are there that require osx? They can build a much better computer for the money. Isn't that why Apple stopped?

SketchApp ( https://www.sketchapp.com/ ) is being used a lot more than Photoshop / Illustrator for drafting wireframes and quick visual designs for web + mobile designs. Not to say that Photoshop / Illustrator aren't being used. Sketch is also more beginner friendly.

Interesting. Thank you. The comments on this article are http://hackingui.com/sketch-design/a-year-using-sketch/ good to see the prevalance of the tools. I didn't know anything outside adobe was considered good.

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Post by Casseres »

rsync wrote: post #365
detaro wrote: post #363

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~33% more expensive than an Eizo FlexScan that has the same amount of pixels in 16:9. Not really unreasonable, I agree, but still painful.

It's square! Do you know what 1:1 ratio monitors (almost exclusively used for air traffic control) cost ? I think $8-10k IIRC ?

ATC here, our Tech Ops people say 20k. They are 2048x2048.

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Post by cma »

atourgates wrote: post #307
gthtjtkt wrote: post #132

$2,999 and the best GPU option is a last-gen mobile card? The default 965M is a crappy budget card (half the performance of the 980M), and if you want the 980M you have to pick the $4,199 configuration. And hybrid drives!? This thing starts at $2,199 and you can't even get a full SSD? I know 2D designers probably won't mind the GPU, but they could definitely benefit from a true SSD. Hell, the recently announced Razer…

The value proposition is the responsive touch-screen. The closest responsive touch screen you can buy today is a 27" Wacom Cintiq, which is $2,299 without a computer, and both lower-resolution (2560x1440 vs 4500x3000) and smaller (27" vs 28") than the Surface Studio. So if you assume that about $2,300 of the device's costs go to the display and touch screen, you're paying ~$700 for the actual machine driving that dis…

The Cintiq also isn't HDR and has a different aspect ratio, making the square inch size difference much greater than just a 1 inch diagonal increase would imply.

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Post by j2bax »

Analemma_ wrote: post #403
j2bax wrote: post #136

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It's not really worth comparing costs until artists weigh in on the drawing capabilities of each piece of hardware. Wacom has had a corner on the market, and a lot of patents for a long time. I know comparisons of Surface Tablet vs. iPad Pro vs. Wacom still have Wacom coming out on top, but a lot of that could be because iPad Pro doesn't have access to the full software artists/designers need to do their job efficien…

At least one artist (the guy from Penny Arcade) says the Surface Studio compares favorably to his Cintiq: http://www.penny-arcade.com/news/post/2016/10/26/the-surface...

Thanks for sharing! I recall reading his Surface reviews previously. I appreciate his honesty, and Microsoft's willingness to tap into him for advice on their products.

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Post by r-w »

usaphp wrote: post #477
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I agree that Microsoft should sell the monitor by itself, or at least allow an eGPU accessory, but it seems they're going to 'Apple route' where they fully control hardware and software.

At least on mac you can install Windows, OSx or Linux, with this machine you are stuck with Win10 or Linux

That's thanks to Windows and Linux being designed for portability, rather than any engineering feat by Apple.

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Post by rsync »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #464
rsync wrote: post #453

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These exist and they are called "bar type displays" and are usually used for gate information in train terminals. NEC has a fairly inexpensive one that you can buy on amazon for $675[1]: Nec Display Multisync X431bt Digital Signage Display ... however the resolution is relatively low - 1920x480 There are others that are in the 4k range but I can't find the link right now ... [1] http://www.necdisplay.com/p/large-scre…

That NEC display is nearly 4 feet long. I am thinking the same width as a full size keyboard so on the order of 15 - 18". 1920 x 480 would be ok for a display that was 18" wide and 4" tall. Although I'd prefer it be 3450 x 768 (192 dpi)

Not sure if you'll make it back to this thread, but I found the other (much more interesting) manufacturer of bar-type displays:

LiteMax and their spanpixel line of panels:

http://www.litemax.com/en/product/category/Spanpixel/22

I see smaller (15 and 19 inch) displays as well as the "smart shelf" displays.

Here is a 3840x536 display @ 43.5", which is the one I am interested in:

http://www.litemax.com/en/product/Spanpixel%204355-INU/40

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