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Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by troupo »

givinguflac wrote: post #469
troupo wrote: post #422

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What concerns me more is that Apple is the only company audibly making a stand. They are not making a stand. They roll over without a peep. And this is concerning users' privacy which they say is the core of the company. Compare it to fighting every government tooth and nail over every single little thing concerning the "we don't know if it's profitable and we don't keep meeting records" AppStore

“ They roll over without a peep.” What are you talking about? This is literally them doing the opposite, and there are multiple other public instances of them making a stand, not to mention in the design of their systems. Truly curious how you see this that way.

"Literally doing the opposite" would be keeping encryption on.

Removing encryption for everyone is literally doing the opposite of making a stand

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by mmaunder »

Not relevant to the Apple story but as a general comment on UK surveillance/search/detainment laws: Five Eyes means the US just needs to get their citizen into the UK for their partner to gain access that the US doesn't have to their citizen. The reciprocity possibilities are endless.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by worik »

mschuster91 wrote: post #537
miohtama wrote: post #425

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Furthermore, one UK head of state call everyone supporting encryption pedophiles https://x.com/BenWallace70/status/1892972120818299199

And that's why it is so important to nip this "pedo" / "think of the children" crap right in the bud. Obviously pedos on the interwebs are bad, but hey as long as it's just anime they're whacking off to I don't care too much. But the real abuse, that's done by - especially in the UK - rich and famous people like Jimmy Savile. And you're not gonna catch these pedos with banning encryption, that's a fucking smokescreen…

> But the real abuse, that's done by - especially in the UK - rich and famous people like Jimmy Savile

Jimmy Savile was a vile predator. He was protected by the inane customs of the British ruling class.

He was not alone among the toffs of England.

But do not be mistaken. It is not just the rich and powerful where you find sexual predators. They exist at all levels of society, all genders, most ages (I will except infants and the aged infirm....)

Jimmy Savile was a symptom of something much darker, much worse and widespread.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by bunderbunder »

sangeeth96 wrote: post #498
fdb345 wrote: post #262

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message retention has literally NEVER been used as incrimination in a court of law. So you are wrong.

Umm, isn’t this related? https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/26/24141801/ftc-amazon-antit...

This isn't Amazon getting in trouble for implementation of a routine records retention policy. It's Amazon getting in trouble for violating a document retention mandate related to an ongoing lawsuit.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by commandersaki »

santiagobasulto wrote: post #283

What happens if a British citizen/resident buys an iPhone in the USA? Btw, as a European citizen, I always buy my devices in the USA. We can complain about the US as much as we want, but Europe is on another level.

I think the iCloud services is based on the region of your Apple Account. So you could theoretically use a US region Apple Account and enjoy iCloud services. But that means you won't get UK region apps, except in the app store you can switch to different Apple Accounts as you please, so you can have multiple accounts for different regions (which is what I do).

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Post by boxed »

anoncow wrote: post #506

>Online privacy expert Caro Robson said she believed it was "unprecedented" for a company "simply to withdraw a product rather than cooperate with a government. That is such a self serving comment. If Apple provides UK a backdoor, it weakens all users globally. With this they are following the local law and the country deserves what the rulers of the country want. These experts are a bit much. In the next paragraph t…

Governments forcing companies from other countries to do business in their country seems like the worrying precedent to me.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by isaacremuant »

exe34 wrote: post #414
ljm wrote: post #358

Fundamentally, I think the issue is more about technical literacy amongst the political establishment who consistently rely on the fallacy that having nothing to hide means you have nothing to fear. Especially in the UK which operates as a paternalistic state and enjoys authoritarian support across all parties. On the authoritarianism: these laws are always worded in such a way that they can be applied or targeted va…

> that having nothing to hide means you have nothing to fear hopefully the US turning from leader of the free world to Russia's tool will give them the kick they need to realise that just because you trust the government now doesn't mean you trust the next government or the one after it.

> hopefully the US turning from leader of the free world to Russia's tool

So much humour in one short phrase.

Do you really believe your propaganda or is it just absentmindedly parroting pro permanent war talking points?

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by 4ndrewl »

JBSay wrote: post #503
4ndrewl wrote: post #460

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're not arrested for posting on Facebook. They're arrested for _what_ they're posting on Facebook.

Just like any other authoritarian state

Hardly. There are limits to speech in most jurisdictions. That hardly crosses the threshold for "authoritarian". The high profile cases in the UK have been around incitement to violence and contempt of court.
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