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Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by HDThoreaun »

jbenjoseph wrote: post #536
HDThoreaun wrote: post #388

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> they didn't really do anything with it at all because they didn't have to. They didn't do anything with it because chatbots are unequivocally a worse business model than the current search paradigm. They cost exponentially more to run and are much harder to organically advertise with without scaring away users by making the chat responses themselves ads. If the future of search is chatbots Google is facing existent…

I disagree. There is a ton of money to be made. Advertisements can be even more lucrative, we just have to rethink the whole idea of advertisement. Imagine the chat bot as a digital salesperson, but for literally everything. It can even be optimized in a manner that if a user asks for too much work that doesn't involve selling you products (eg. writing essays) it can go "I'm Sorry Dave, but you need a ChatGPT Premium…

If google released a sales bot and Microsoft released a chatbot with banner ads everyone would just use bing. Maybe that’s naive but I just can’t see people accepting that kind of product.

This is a competitive market with zero switching costs. You can’t just hamstring your product and expect users to stick around when another company they know and trust has a much better product.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by NovaPenguin »

peanuty1 wrote: post #443
Nemi wrote: post #310

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It makes one wonder if this is another kodak moment https://www.google.com/search?q=kodak+developed+the+digital+...

The Innovator's Dilemma. Presumably, Google didn't want to cannibalize their cash cow (Google search) because they don't know if LLM chatbots can be monetized as effectively.

Something that I always admired about Apple (at least in the past) was that they were willing to make old stuff obsolete even when it was wildly successful. iPhone killing iPod is a great example of this.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by nradov »

visarga wrote: post #528
nradov wrote: post #10

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There's nothing irresponsible about it. There is no evidence that ChatGPT is a step towards AGI development. And even if it is, so what? People made similar breathless claims about irresponsibility about every major innovation throughout history. The Catholic Church thought it was irresponsible to hand out printed books to commoners and teach them how to read.

Look, you can call it whatever you like, it can be a useful assistant. A rose by any other name.

Yes, exactly. It is a useful assistant with some very limited capabilities. The point is that there's nothing "irresponsible" about making it available to the public.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by layer8 »

partiallypro wrote: post #250
epups wrote: post #80

This is a potentially momentous occasion here. Microsoft is betting hard that they can mount a challenge to Google, and I think ChatGPT can credibly attempt that. The answer from Google so far is weak. The thought that Bing may actually overtake Google would be hilarious a few months ago, and now it looks... possible?

IMO, the integration with Edge is far more important. Then you are taking it with you anywhere and eventually I'm sure you can just have it interact with a page you're on. Google losing Chrome users in a measurable way would be massive. One challenge though is how this will work on mobile devices where Google will have a much more entrenched advantage.

Microsoft says it won’t be limited to Edge:

Our intention is to bring it to all browsers. We're starting with Edge. Chrome has to implement some things to make it work, but our intention is all browsers.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by MagicMoonlight »

Will it be like ChatGPT where you ask it a question and it says "Sorry I can't do that because I am ChatGPT, a language model." or "Sorry but drumpf bad, drumpf bad"

Because I don't really want a biased search engine that's going to get snarky with me if I look up something work-related that contains no-no phrases or mentions violence.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by pphysch »

rmbyrro wrote: post #407
pphysch wrote: post #267

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Bing also has a bad reputation.

Bing has never been a relevant search engine to earn a reputation, in my opinion. Microsoft has a bad reputation, but I'd say it changed a LOT in the past 10 years and has earned back a non-negligible chunk of trust.

Bing does have a reputation, people know what Bing is, and generally it is not a positive impression.

Microsoft can change that, but so can Google improve their reputation.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by layer8 »

actsasbuffoon wrote: post #491
ddp26 wrote: post #281

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Metaculus estimates [1] that Bing's marketshare will rise from 3.03% on Jan 15 to 4.07% by Dec 31, 2023, and it's trending up slightly as Microsoft's plans become more concrete. [1] https://www.metaculus.com/questions/14409/bing-search-market...

It’s hard for me to imagine that Edge would become my main browser (big Firefox fan for many years), but I’d certainly give these new AI features a test drive.

Microsoft says it won’t be limited to Edge:

Our intention is to bring it to all browsers. We're starting with Edge. Chrome has to implement some things to make it work, but our intention is all browsers.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by robinsonb5 »

JohnFen wrote: post #458
robinsonb5 wrote: post #418

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I have a suspicion that Google's search results are of much better quality if you allow them to track you. I still do (mostly out of laziness, I have to admit) - and I frequently find myself cursing at the uselessness of DuckDuckGo's results and using Google instead.

I did that experiment a while back. I think (but it's hard to tell) that I perceived the quality falling for me in that case. Much of the problem with Google is that it's trying to make a guess about what I /really/ want, when what I really want is to find sites that contain certain words or phrases. Tracking me is irrelevant to that task, and if my online behavior affects the search results I get, that can't improve…

The one place where I think tracking helps (though it's just a gut feeling - I don't have evidence) is when disambiguating search terms that can be interpreted different ways. Google knows that the tech-related interpretation is probably the one I'm looking for, while DDG doesn't.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by linkjuice4all »

jbenjoseph wrote: post #536
HDThoreaun wrote: post #388

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> they didn't really do anything with it at all because they didn't have to. They didn't do anything with it because chatbots are unequivocally a worse business model than the current search paradigm. They cost exponentially more to run and are much harder to organically advertise with without scaring away users by making the chat responses themselves ads. If the future of search is chatbots Google is facing existent…

I disagree. There is a ton of money to be made. Advertisements can be even more lucrative, we just have to rethink the whole idea of advertisement. Imagine the chat bot as a digital salesperson, but for literally everything. It can even be optimized in a manner that if a user asks for too much work that doesn't involve selling you products (eg. writing essays) it can go "I'm Sorry Dave, but you need a ChatGPT Premium…

But I don’t seek out sales people unless I desperately need what they have already.

I typically don’t frequent businesses that continue to try to upsell me once I’m already inside.

That being said there are definitely other people out that that do want this and aren’t resistant to paid messaging but if you want answers an AdBot will probably not be your first stop.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by layer8 »

PenguinCoder wrote: post #243
basch wrote: post #215

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It's an end to keyword search. Search now has state. I can search something, and then manipulate the results. Filter the results. I dont have to start over with a new query, or mess with quotes and -signs, which has been utterly terrible ever since google started taking things like that as suggestions. Or when I search for 4-5 words, and it instantly chooses to leave out the most important of the 5 terms so it can re…

I absolutely hate this, and it turns the search useless to me. When searching with "direct quotes" on Google, it has ignored my exact term in quotes and shown me results WITHOUT THAT KEYWORD. Useless.

It helps to turn Verbatim mode on (under Search Tools).
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