AWS's letter to Parler https://twitter.com/karaswisher/status/1348136296976408576/p...
Seems very proper to me.
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#542Earlier quoted context omitted.
> What are the best mitigations here, both technical and social? Vocally side with the popular issues, or try to stay completely out of them, to try to avoid becoming a target (e.g., social media presence)? For now, don't attempt to overturn a fair democratic election and install an illegitimate government. Seems like a pretty easy thing to stay clear of. I get the concern you're expressing, but not everything is a s…
> not everything is a slippery slope From a risk management perspective, this does not seem like a safe assumption to make. The DailyStormer got "canceled" by vendors for not even trying to moderate content that actively promoted violence (among other horrible things). Now Parlor gets "canceled" by vendors for not doing a good enough job trying to moderate content promoting violence. The bar for getting "canceled" is…
> The bar for getting "canceled" is already moving up ...
Eh I'm not so sure about that? I mean, "Did your userbase activately participate in a plot to storm the Capitol and potentially take lawmakers and the VP of the State as hostages (or worse)?" is an awfully high bar to clear.
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#543Earlier quoted context omitted.
100% agree - but I think this can only be solved via legislation. Amazon has too much market power if it can shut down another company at the push of a button for something that isn't illegal (even if it's distasteful).
Was Parler blocked because Amazon did not like it, or because Democrats do not like it, and they have full control of government, and can pass arbitrary laws e.g. to break up Amazon? Edit: an unfairly flagged comment in reply to this says > Why would democrats break up Amazon, when it helps them in banning the republicans? That will not happen. That's exactly my point, this is a form of lobbying to stay on good side…
Why would democrats break up Amazon, when it helps them in banning the republicans? That will not happen.
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#544I'm struggling to try to understand what this means for the risks of running a business in the cloud going forward. It was not just AWS dropping them, but many of their other vendors dropped them too, essentially killing their business overnight. Granted, for this first case the bar was extremely high. You needed literal storming of the Capitol and a platform seemingly specifically targeted at those people for this t…
> What are the best mitigations here, both technical and social? Vocally side with the popular issues, or try to stay completely out of them, to try to avoid becoming a target (e.g., social media presence)? For now, don't attempt to overturn a fair democratic election and install an illegitimate government. Seems like a pretty easy thing to stay clear of. I get the concern you're expressing, but not everything is a s…
Nope. Decentralized services will be very important moving forward. Most people just haven't realized it yet.
Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support
#545I'm struggling to try to understand what this means for the risks of running a business in the cloud going forward. It was not just AWS dropping them, but many of their other vendors dropped them too, essentially killing their business overnight. Granted, for this first case the bar was extremely high. You needed literal storming of the Capitol and a platform seemingly specifically targeted at those people for this t…
> What are the best mitigations here, both technical and social? Vocally side with the popular issues, or try to stay completely out of them, to try to avoid becoming a target (e.g., social media presence)? For now, don't attempt to overturn a fair democratic election and install an illegitimate government. Seems like a pretty easy thing to stay clear of. I get the concern you're expressing, but not everything is a s…
AWS's letter to Parler explains quite well why they are taking them down and I don't see any rational argument against it
https://twitter.com/karaswisher/status/1348136296976408576/p...
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#546All I’m going to say is that I’m all for free speech and setting fair rules for everyone to play by (ie regulation), but looking at the examples provided in the buzzfeed articles this is beyond simple free speech. I hear a lot of people saying this is just another example of the left trying to shut down free speech but there are clear threats being made on the platform. If Parler doesn’t want to do any content regula…
oh com'n. As if twitter doesn't allow people to post stupid junk? Multiple accounts that posted "Kill all white women" "Today seems like a good day for another reminder that all republicans deserve to die" are still active along with plenty of other insane things. You can cherry pick bad stuff from any social media site.
Those two examples are likely rhetorical and are (as far as I can tell) not intended to and extremely unlikely to incite violence, much less imminent violence. If there were, however, organized groups actually planning and carrying out killings, and those groups used those slogans as a rallying cry, then indeed people and groups distributing those slogans ought to be banned from social networks.
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#547Earlier quoted context omitted.
I really struggle with this. Most websites have block or mute buttons. So why is it we can't just use those? You see something you don't like, don't click on it. You see someone you don't like, just block or mute them. Almost every platform lets you choose the level, of lack thereof, of discourse you want to have with people with whom you disagree.
You can't really "mute" a murderous mob that shows up at the capitol. This isn't about seeing stuff you don't like, this is about a platform being used to directly incite political violence.
The Capitol has its own police (they're literally called, the Capitol Police). You can't mute them, but you can make it clear that any attempt to breach the Capitol will result in deadly force.
And it should have.
Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support
#548I'm struggling to try to understand what this means for the risks of running a business in the cloud going forward. It was not just AWS dropping them, but many of their other vendors dropped them too, essentially killing their business overnight. Granted, for this first case the bar was extremely high. You needed literal storming of the Capitol and a platform seemingly specifically targeted at those people for this t…
It appears there is a business opportunity to (re)create infrastructure for use by companies/individuals that have been banned from the mainstream platforms. I'm sure such a platform would be despised by many in the mainstream, and most mainstream companies would not consider using them because customers would boycott them if they did. But for companies whose customers are primarily on the right, the cost/benefit cou…
I'm sure that alternate platforms will pop up. Parler is an alternate platform. However, how good will those platforms be? There are already many clouds, and a lot of them have trouble competing. Stripe also has many competitors, but few of them are that good.
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#549Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the mitigation is "don't build a platform to attract white supremacists banned from other sites and then watch as they use it to plan a riot in the Capitol."
Imagine a hypothetical, well-intentioned free speech focused platform, without censorship and with low moderation: it will attract those people because those people have nowhere else to go. That strategy is a non-starter. The real requirement is that we are pushing for a world of auto-moderation where robots have to approve every single thing we say online - otherwise you are not allowed to let people communicate.
Right, if someone wants to build a business and can't do it without making it easier for hate groups and terrorists to organise, why would any government allow the business to exist? It's fundamentally a threat to any nation for it to allow profit from enabling sedition.
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#550well, cloud is done for. nobody can rely on such provider any more. they fucked themselves so bad this time that they won't get any new business. maybe finally people will get back to bare metal and pay 1/100 of what they used to spend.