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Post by smeagull »

beachy wrote: post #522

I wish that Twitter - or some other social network - would experiment with the type of moderation seen on HN. Some would maybe call it heavy handed but I think of HN as a place that is mercifully relatively free of trolling, outrage culture, political bullshit and other toxic behaviors. In my experience there's no place like HN on the internet, and that's due I suspect to having a highly professional moderator (@dang…

HN is pretty much like any subreddit. And there is a line of prevailing thought that you can't go against.

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Post by kQq9oHeAz6wLLS »

cm42 wrote: post #506
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #169

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These are actually fine in most places. You only see videos of the out of control ones because they're the weird ones. If you only view the world through the snippets that are noteworthy enough to make headlines or get a lot of votes on Reddit, you end up with a very skewed view of what the world is like.

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Ah, I see you're doing your part to help make the online world a better place

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beachy wrote: post #522

I wish that Twitter - or some other social network - would experiment with the type of moderation seen on HN. Some would maybe call it heavy handed but I think of HN as a place that is mercifully relatively free of trolling, outrage culture, political bullshit and other toxic behaviors. In my experience there's no place like HN on the internet, and that's due I suspect to having a highly professional moderator (@dang…

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Post by bt4u »

pclmulqdq wrote: post #402
partiallypro wrote: post #280

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Babylon Bee being suspended was one of the dumber things the previous Twitter rules had done. It's a satire site, it's right leaning, nothing in the piece they said was hateful or even an unpopular view. Kanye's ban, he's just a mentally ill person. I don't think he meant "death con" he just didn't know that it's actually "def con." His remarks are still reprehensible. Twitter's whole moderation problem has been it i…

I'm not sure most people here have seen the corner of Twitter known as "black Twitter." This is the part of Twitter where people (most of them from racial minorities) discuss things like "the Jews are keeping minorities poor," and "abortion is racist eugenics." I don't know how they don't all get banned, but they somehow have a very vibrant community. The level of antisemitism that Kanye (no, I will not call him "Ye"…

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Post by version_five »

beachy wrote: post #522

I wish that Twitter - or some other social network - would experiment with the type of moderation seen on HN. Some would maybe call it heavy handed but I think of HN as a place that is mercifully relatively free of trolling, outrage culture, political bullshit and other toxic behaviors. In my experience there's no place like HN on the internet, and that's due I suspect to having a highly professional moderator (@dang…

Twitter is more of a platform imo, that has to have more permissive policies than a niche forum like HN. Benevolent dictatorships (especially opt-in ones) are great for smaller discussions. And people literally can go have their own discussion about celebrity gossip or whatever that would get killed on HN, in another forum.

Twitter is more like a utility, and if it wants to occupy that position it should be more open to content that people disagree with or don't like.

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Post by mikkergp »

cloutchaser wrote: post #513
mikkergp wrote: post #7

This sort of justifies the viewpoint that despite all his bluster, Elon will probably run Twitter the way a "reasonable executive" would. Not just release the hounds. Keep the advertisers happy, but try to reduce the reliance on advertisers. Keep moderating content to reduce abuse, maybe eliminate the high profile banning but a person on the ground will have largely the same experience. (probably less action on more…

So, create a court system basically that decides on free speech issues. Got it. Likely will arrive at the same conclusion as the legal system that’s been operating for over 200 years. There’s a reason the legal system said free speech is out to the point of direct imminent harm. It was the arrogance of 20 year old programmers in silicon valley who thought they could create a better legal system.

The legal system largely doesn't have to worry about advertisers and users fleeing the country.

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Post by concinds »

jeffbee wrote: post #509
concinds wrote: post #297

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I'm not referring to the "X liked this tweet" feature, which is from my circle. Twitter added a Topics feature, where it promotes popular tweets. I'll often see random tweets with >100k likes inserted into my feed, though none of the people I follow liked it, and it's not in my interests. You'll also see such "popular tweets" when you click on any tweet and scroll past the replies. Doesn't always show (especially whe…

> Twitter added a Topics feature, where it promotes popular tweets. I have never seen this. It turns out to be buried under a "more" menu, so I maintain that this is a niche feature that you'd need to go out of your way to suffer. > You'll also see such "popular tweets" when you click on any tweet and scroll past the replies. No, I don't. I don't see anything like that. I just get to the bottom of the replies. When d…

> It turns out to be buried under a "more" menu, so I maintain that this is a niche feature that you'd need to go out of your way to suffer.

I never turned it on or tapped on it, and don't follow any topics. It still intersperses "Comedy", "Crypto", and "Movies" tweets (labelled as such) into my main timeline.

And I don't know why you don't see "popular tweets" (it's actually "More tweets", I misspoke). I've been seeing those for years in the exact same context I described.

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Post by ajross »

ajross wrote: post #507
partiallypro wrote: post #441

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No, because those aren't even remotely similar things. It wouldn't be a "hate crime" to call a Catholic a Protestant, or a Gay person a Straight person or a Black person a white person. It would be a hateful to deny them rights or to call for abuse. In this instance the "hate crime" is merely saying someone's biological sex is x, even if they say they are y. However, If I called a non-trans woman a man or a non-trans…

> In this instance the "hate crime" is merely saying someone's biological sex is x, even if they say they are y. That's mischaracterizing what was said. Here's the actual article: https://babylonbee.com/news/the-babylon-bees-man-of-the-year... This is ridicule, quite clearly. I won't get into the "is it or is it not a hate crime" bit, but this isn't "merely" stating anything. The term "biological sex" doesn't even ap…

I'm going to reply to my own comment to extend the last point, because I think it's important to point out:

I think it's clear, and that everyone would agree, that if you showed up here on HN making fun of another commenter for their gender in exactly the way that the Bee did, using exactly the same words, that you'd be banned. And we'd all agree that you should be banned.

I think the logical trap that the "free speech" folks are falling into here is that this doesn't "feel" targetted in the same way. It's a "media organization" making fun of a "public figure" and neither the Bee nor Levine are part of "your community". So Twitter banning them doesn't feel like community enforcement of norms, it feels political. And since the Bee is on "your side" you feel like they must have been wronged.

So maybe you should be constructing arguments around whether or not Twitter consitutes a "community" with "norms"? Maybe it doesn't, I'm willing to hear arguments. But the idea that the article wasn't hateful jut doesn't fly as I see it. It was awful, and the only way to see otherwise is to get into a headspace where Levine isn't part of "your community" and thus her feelings don't matter.

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Post by panarky »

slg wrote: post #516
partiallypro wrote: post #441

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No, because those aren't even remotely similar things. It wouldn't be a "hate crime" to call a Catholic a Protestant, or a Gay person a Straight person or a Black person a white person. It would be a hateful to deny them rights or to call for abuse. In this instance the "hate crime" is merely saying someone's biological sex is x, even if they say they are y. However, If I called a non-trans woman a man or a non-trans…

What do you think is the fundamental joke the article is making? The only joke I see is "a trans person exists". The article isn't about her policies, her performance in her job, or even complexities in our evolving definition of either sex or gender like you are implying. The joke is that this person is trans. The message of that joke is the existence of a trans person in public is worthy of mockery. Therefore the o…

It's cool how HN discussions predictably get distracted from the main point.

The main point was that the claims made by the new owner are demonstrably false.

The new owner claimed that unbanning decisions would be made by a new moderation council. While he was saying this, a slew of right-wing and conspiracy accounts were reinstated even though the council does not yet exist.

Meanwhile here we are, debating gender and sexuality.

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Post by mdeeks »

beachy wrote: post #522

I wish that Twitter - or some other social network - would experiment with the type of moderation seen on HN. Some would maybe call it heavy handed but I think of HN as a place that is mercifully relatively free of trolling, outrage culture, political bullshit and other toxic behaviors. In my experience there's no place like HN on the internet, and that's due I suspect to having a highly professional moderator (@dang…

HN still suffers from what I call the "Everyone is an idiot but me" mentality. There is also a bit of outrage from time to time about small things. But the fact that it is the worst that happens here is saying a lot though. HN really is very well moderated and the guidelines are concise, reasonable, and simple to understand. It really helps that HN has a narrow set of topics. No idea how this could possibly scale to the size of twitter.
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