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Apple Shipped Me a 79-Pound iPhone Repair Kit to Fix a 1.1-Ounce Battery

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Post by ashwagary »

jeffbee wrote: post #381
kllrnohj wrote: post #379

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Right-to-repair in no way prevents or hampers Apple's ability to offer that service. If people want the current state, they can continue to pay for it. Right to repair offers strictly more options and choice, it doesn't remove anything

It removes the ability of the manufacturer to make a phone that is the size and weight people prefer and has the features they want. Billions of people want a waterproof phone and I doubt you could even fill a bus with people who really give a damn whether or not the battery is replaceable in the field.

If by replaceable you include easily-changeable so one doesnt have to be tethered to a wall or portable charger, you could fill stadiums with business users easily.

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Post by ashwagary »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #389
jeffbee wrote: post #381

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It removes the ability of the manufacturer to make a phone that is the size and weight people prefer and has the features they want. Billions of people want a waterproof phone and I doubt you could even fill a bus with people who really give a damn whether or not the battery is replaceable in the field.

For buyers of new devices that may be true. Yet I've sold plenty of phones I had bought second hand (after years of my own use), and those with user swappable batteries are far more likely to be reused without great expense. More so if they also have an SDcard slot to minimize wear on the soldered storage. As phone features plateau we should strive to make them last longer and avoid unnecessarily consuming tons of ne…

Waterproof or governmental pressure?

Hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist but tracking devices dont work so well if the person being tracked can completely disable them when they wish.

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Post by ashwagary »

spookthesunset wrote: post #402
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #307

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I view this differently. This article is documenting a process people are surely curious about. But the costly deposit and multiple heavy pelican cases of supplies show just how deep the hole Apple has dug for themselves really is. Apple is so anti-repair they have no provisions for a reasonable at home process. You must realize that a $1200 deposit alone means this process is out of reach of many people. Meanwhile I…

How can you have a user accessible door to remove the battery while still being at least somewhat thin and water resistant? I’m sure there are ways but I would probably significantly increase the BOM costs. For example some kind of waterproof battery that connects to a waterproof jack. That will you the battery but cracked screens and stuff? Those pretty much have to be a pain in the ass to keep the cost, weight and…

The times I needed my phone to have more power vastly outnumber the times I needed my phone to be waterproof...possibly by a factor of 1,000,000 to 1

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Post by ethbr0 »

simondotau wrote: post #518
ethbr0 wrote: post #301

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I can't find the rating for the 1926 Rolex Oyster (if there was one), but the Submariner in 1953 was 100m. ... I daresay we're not talking about that level of waterproofing, so circularity of sealing gaskets and case structural integrity shouldn't be as critical. Although if Apple made an iPhone Deepsea, I have no doubt they'd have buyers at any price point, a vanishingly small percentage of whom would actually subme…

Circularity allows for threads which can give significant, robust and uniform clamping pressure, without need for any adhesives. But really the distinguishing factor is the ratio between case volume and mechanism volume. If phones had a similar ratio to watches, you could just bolt them shut with a dozen screws.

Ah, I get why you were emphasizing circularity now. Good point.

I guess phones do have the benefit of non-contiguous mechanism requirements, in that you could through bolt the lid into the case if you designed boards and components around the posts.

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Post by Tarragon »

Aeolun wrote: post #76
jeroenhd wrote: post #15

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Controversy was unavoidable when they shipped devices that can't be repaired without these giant kits. This is probably the lesser controversy, though. Reserving the full price of the equipment on the credit card places these repair out of the hands of the people that need affordable repairs the most. I'm also honestly sure that Apple can design better tooling for consumer repair than this, they've solved more diffic…

If the repair cost in-store is the same as the cost of a shipped replacement battery then there was no point to this entire thing in the first place.

But it's not. The article did a crap job of explaining this.

You buy the battery for the same $69 that an in store replacement costs. You then get a $24 credit when you return the old battery. Apple covers this shipping cost too.

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Post by hatware »

turbinerneiter wrote: post #411
hatware wrote: post #338

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I think you have grossly underestimated how propaganda against right to repair legislation has colored your perception. That is what's sad. We used to fully own the devices we buy, now look at us.

I think my perspective is pretty good, thanks.

Of course you do, that's called ego.

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Post by shkkmo »

thetinguy wrote: post #412
shkkmo wrote: post #276

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> I believe Apple didn't set out to make it difficult to repair, it was just a side effect of not caring one way or the other and optimizing for the other aspects. Apple's efforts with DRM and using IP law to restrict parts supply seem to clearly indicaye a desire and intent to limit the ability to self-repair. While there are legitimate trade-offs to make, it seems obvious to that Apple has made choices that unneces…

Why should Apple allow people to use their trademarks in order to fool people into paying more for “genuine” components. Do you think Louis Rossman was going to tell his customers that, “I know this replacement battery has an Apple logo but I didn’t buy it from Apple.”

I'm not aware of any "fooling" happening, AFAIK, the batteries were genuine batteries and were for products that Apple no longer provided repair services for.

So, yes, Apple should absolutely allow repair shops to source genuine components for products they no longer support. Blocking this is uncontrovertably anti-consumer behavior that boosts Apple's profits while hurting their users and creating more e-waste.

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Post by shkkmo »

snowwrestler wrote: post #314
shkkmo wrote: post #272

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> The metaphorical tires are not welded on; you can keep an old phone going with a new battery. The metaphorical tires are DRM'd on by a company that has been actively trying to prevent third party repair shops from being able to work on your car. The doubt of Apple's intentions here is not happening in a vacuum, but against their consistent and ongoing efforts to make self-repair unnecessarily difficult.

When we’re talking about “right to repair,” we need to distinguish between: a) the use of DRM to prevent repairs b) the physical challenge of working on complex things c) planned obsolescence via consumables The big problem with Apple and many companies is a), and I support efforts to make that illegal. Problem b) is unavoidable for complex things. And there are design trade-offs that deliver benefits for costs, for…

Problem B may not be completely unavoidable but it also isn't a valid excuse for deliberately anti-repair design choices. Some things are indeed tradeoffs in terma s of repairabilty vs. features or costs, but some design decisions have little to no effect on features / cost but a large effect on repairability or durabilty.

Now, you can't always legally separate which tradeoffs are which, but I do think there is real value to finding ways to incentivize companies that make durable, repairable products. Those products produce a lot of value for society but manufactures can have a hard time recouping much of that value in the sale price, leading to bad incentives.

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Post by sokoloff »

mindslight wrote: post #415
sokoloff wrote: post #234

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I have a standing offer for my friends: I’ll do a brake job with you in my driveway to show you how easy and cheap it is. It’s common for those $1000+ dealer quotes to be $75-$150 in parts, $5 in consumables, and Over 20 years, I’ve done this for a few handfuls of people. How many have switched to DIYing anything more than filling washer fluid and maybe replacing a lamp? One. (Two others have switched to indy mechani…

Yeah, the "could" in my comment was only because I already own the tools, and I had just done the brakes on the other car. I might take the excuse to buy a new jack though, so I can lift up to the jack stands without needing to cheat with blocks. The funny thing is they also wanted $700 to adjust the valve clearances. This is expensive (it's the stealership after all), but I might have said yes just to have one less…

I read your comment that way and was trying to agree/amplify rather than trying to correct pricing.
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