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Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by cujo »

WA wrote: post #518
moccachino wrote: post #489

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To be fair it does take much more than $20 worth of effort to migrate all your stuff from gmail. How much more I don't know since I've yet to do it, even though I've been paying for another email service for more than a year.

The smart choice would've been to not use Gmail in the first place. The fact that Google doesn't have your best interest in mind is nothing new. The fact that Gmail invades your privacy by reading your emails to show you ads has been in there from day 1. I'm saying this, because you started with "to be fair...". As if this was a good explanation for the double-standard your parent poster mentioned. You can still fix…

> Complaining about "the effort" just reinforces the double-standard.

Another point of view is that this is just the reality. Loads of people are on gmail, and migrating isn't always simple. Pretending it is doesn't make it so, and pointing out that one never should have done it in the first place is a moot point.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by adminu »

ohthehugemanate wrote: post #505
wslh wrote: post #496

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> I have read comments in this thread suggesting that FF's performance is not that snappy but I cannot seem to notice any difference. I tried to switch from Chrome to Firefox a few months ago but I had a terrible experience using Hangouts with a customer for two hours. The Firefox degraded until a point of no return and that sucks when you are talking with a customer. I initially blamed the network but there was no s…

> I tried to switch from Chrome to Firefox but I had a terrible experience using Hangouts So, you're saying Google's anti-competitive tactic of degrading and not supporting other browsers worked on you. Did you know there's a name for that tactic? Embrace Extend Extinguish. Did you consider using another, more neutral video conference system?

This.

I use FF for normal browsing and Chrome for Google based stuff that requires an account, like Gmail, YouTube, Docs, etc. Besides not having ANY performance issues with FF I think it is good practice to separate most of your accounts from normal surfing.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by vardump »

kansi wrote: post #452

Reading this breaks my heart. I have been a Firefox user for almost a decade now and I have good and bad memories with it. Since Quantum release my experience with FF has been nothing but exceptional. On a general day I have around ~15 pinned tabs and more than 50 other tabs open and FF handles it like a breeze. The memory usage is good given the fact that my workload is heavy. On a dual-core machine, I am able to re…

Firefox has improved tremendously. But I guess some people are still missing their favorite features.

For me it's pinch zooming. I've been waiting for it for ages. It's the last issue keeping me from leaving Chrome.

Just tried newest Firefox on macOS and Windows 10, and sadly it still didn't work on either.

This feature is great for hiding flashing sidebars and distracting navigation bars. And of course zooming in occasionally, when the need arises.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by lotu »

timerol wrote: post #522
Rjevski wrote: post #497

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It doesn't take that much more. Office 365's base plan is something like 35£/year, plus around 10£/year for a domain. They offer IMAP import so migrating from Gmail is seamless.

Effort, not money. As a Firefox/gmail user who routinely shits on Google, it's mostly the lock-in of any email address that keeps me coming back. I've actually opened a few paid accounts, but effort to switch is real. I gave up partly through switching over the dozens (100s?) of services that send me emails. I would never get to the point where all of my acquaintances and relatives actually use the new address.

Why not setup email forwarding and just wait a few years for people to get the message?

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by adminu »

eftpotrm wrote: post #513
Krasnol wrote: post #492

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It's hard to compete with a product that is being spread like crap ware bundled with other freeware or pushed through Android or the main search engine on the internet. From my experience this is the ways most of the people I know came in contact with Chrome. Even those where I've installed FF end up with Chrome. When I ask them why they switched, they don't know. They don't even know where it came from...this is wha…

In fairness - much as I like desktop Firefox, Android Firefox has never felt as slick as Android Chrome. I'd love to switch, but it's got to be good enough.

I think FF Focus is absolutely brilliant an mobile and for everything else (except Facebook) I use firefox with ublock origin. It performs very well and I can nicely sync my passwords and tabs to my other devices.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by Freak_NL »

bad_user wrote: post #493
devxpy wrote: post #484

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> paying for a domain and the price of one coffee per month That's some expensive coffee.

My FastMail account costs $50 / year or $130 / 3 years, thus with a monthly cost starting at 3.6 USD. That's less than the price of a Starbucks Grande Latte. Google's G Suite, which is still better than free web mail since you no longer have the lock-in, plus a better privacy policy, is $5 per month, which is almost the price of a Starbucks Venti Latte. And this is actually an expensive offering in the business. So n…

> That's less than the price of a Starbucks Grande Latte.

A cup of coffee is a pretty lousy indication of cost. For some people going into a Starbucks for a $5/€4,40/£3,92 gluten-free-unicorn-sprinkles-ariana-grande-latte may be part of a daily routine, but for others, coffee means using a coffee-maker to brew your own cup for a few cents, or just getting a cup to go at a some kiosk.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by oAlbe »

realradicalwash wrote: post #509
moccachino wrote: post #489

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To be fair it does take much more than $20 worth of effort to migrate all your stuff from gmail. How much more I don't know since I've yet to do it, even though I've been paying for another email service for more than a year.

I finally did it this year! All the scandals (dragonfly, drone programme, auto sign-in in chrome, grabbing data through auto translate, etc.) were just too much. Getting away from the convinient variant, for which I paid with my user data, to privacy oriented choices felt empowering. I went with Posteo for email and calendar (EUR12/pa), went from mostly FF to all-in FFk (donated to Mozilla), from Google search to DDG…

It depends on what you use Google maps for.

There is no alternative (that I was able to find) for the "browsing what's nearby" feature of maps. It allows you to pull up the app and just look around from where you are to find stores, restaurants, museums and whatnot. You can check opening times, reviews, see pictures, all from inside maps.

But, if you are looking for a GPS navigator alternative, there are plenty, and some are much better than maps, IMO. I personally use Sygic on Android, in the free version, and I've found it more accurate than maps in many occasions. It doesn't have the live updates on traffic like maps, but it will take you from point A to point B with a few metres accuracy. While maps sometimes just gets you to the other side of a building, and leaves it to you to figure out that the actual entrance is on the other side, and to reach it you have to drive around half a block, be careful with access restrictions, and go through a traffic light. Sygic just always gets me to the correct place, on the correct side of the buildings, and even signals parking areas nearby.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by foxhop »

ohthehugemanate wrote: post #505
wslh wrote: post #496

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I have read comments in this thread suggesting that FF's performance is not that snappy but I cannot seem to notice any difference. I tried to switch from Chrome to Firefox a few months ago but I had a terrible experience using Hangouts with a customer for two hours. The Firefox degraded until a point of no return and that sucks when you are talking with a customer. I initially blamed the network but there was no s…

> I tried to switch from Chrome to Firefox but I had a terrible experience using Hangouts So, you're saying Google's anti-competitive tactic of degrading and not supporting other browsers worked on you. Did you know there's a name for that tactic? Embrace Extend Extinguish. Did you consider using another, more neutral video conference system?

I ran into the same issue and had the same thoughts. The ironic part is Hangouts might be extinguishing Firefox, but it's also extinguishing itself. Google doesn't maintain it, it's running on autopilot and will likely be shutdown in 2019.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by Freak_NL »

adminu wrote: post #532
ohthehugemanate wrote: post #505

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I tried to switch from Chrome to Firefox but I had a terrible experience using Hangouts So, you're saying Google's anti-competitive tactic of degrading and not supporting other browsers worked on you. Did you know there's a name for that tactic? Embrace Extend Extinguish. Did you consider using another, more neutral video conference system?

This. I use FF for normal browsing and Chrome for Google based stuff that requires an account, like Gmail, YouTube, Docs, etc. Besides not having ANY performance issues with FF I think it is good practice to separate most of your accounts from normal surfing.

Just today I ran into a weird bug in Google Drive's document editor where selecting 'paste without formatting' from the context menu resulted in a pop-up saying 'These actions are unavailable via the Edit menu, but you can still use: Ctrl+C Ctrl+V Ctrl+X'.

In Chrome: no problem at all.

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