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Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by bad_user »

Rjevski wrote: post #497
moccachino wrote: post #489

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair it does take much more than $20 worth of effort to migrate all your stuff from gmail. How much more I don't know since I've yet to do it, even though I've been paying for another email service for more than a year.

It doesn't take that much more. Office 365's base plan is something like 35£/year, plus around 10£/year for a domain. They offer IMAP import so migrating from Gmail is seamless.

Without a good importing tool (warning: the GSuite importing tools are shit), I recommend "imapsync":

https://github.com/imapsync/imapsync

After cloning the repository and installing the listed dependencies (some Perl packages available in your Brew / Ubuntu repository already), you can do:

    imapsync \
        --host1 imap.old.com \
        --user1 "old@email.com" \
        --password1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx \
        --ssl1 \
        --host2 imap.new.com \
        --user2 "new@email.com" \
        --password2 yyyyyyyyyyyyy \
        --ssl2 \
        --errorsmax 1000000 \
        --syncinternaldates \
        --useheader 'Message-Id' \
        --noreleasecheck \
        --noexpunge \
        --automap
Works great for importing to and from Gmail, but you might want to add a folder rewrite for the Sent folder (with --f1f2).

But with FastMail, for those interested, the out of the box importing tools in their web interface work great, so no need for any command line tools.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by sametmax »

isostatic wrote: post #432
Klonoar wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd support it if it felt like a first-class citizen on macOS. It's ironic that everyone decries Electron for not being native, then says you should use Firefox when it violates so much about the platform that it's not even funny. A bug about overflow scrolling (the default bouncing when you scroll over in macOS) has been open for years. It doesn't fit in.

It's odd that firefox doesn't use the osx certificate store

It's sad, but necessary. The OS certificate stores have been a circus for so long now that nowbody take it seriously anymore.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by perfunctory »

Some corporations seem to do adopt Chrome as an official workplace browser (next to IE). I am wondering what would it take to lobby them to adopt Firefox. Does anybody have any experience pitching Firefox inside their own company? Is Mozilla doing anything to get into the enterprise?

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by Markoff »

craftyguy wrote: post #43
Puer wrote: post #10

Just my personal $0.02: 1. The biggest thing keeping me tied to Chrome over any other browser is the extension support. Extensions are second class citizens in any other browser. This is partly because other browsers keep overhauling their systems and deprecating old software which discourages extension developers, and mainly because (as an extension developer) why would you code for browser X when you can get more u…

> 1. The biggest thing keeping me tied to Chrome over any other browser is the extension support. Extensions are second class citizens in any other browser. You say this, but on mobile, the only major browser that supports extensions is Firefox. Not Chrome. Not Safari.

yeah and yet there it's single add-on for pull down to refresh which barely works and Firefox was constantly crashing on pretty ordinary sites i was visiting until i gave up after few weeks and returned to Brave where i don't need to be afraid to open porn website or pharmacy website without crashing whole browser

using Firefox on desktop though, can't complain much over there, but it's useless on android if it crash even on ordinary sites

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by ohthehugemanate »

wslh wrote: post #496
kansi wrote: post #452

Reading this breaks my heart. I have been a Firefox user for almost a decade now and I have good and bad memories with it. Since Quantum release my experience with FF has been nothing but exceptional. On a general day I have around ~15 pinned tabs and more than 50 other tabs open and FF handles it like a breeze. The memory usage is good given the fact that my workload is heavy. On a dual-core machine, I am able to re…

> I have read comments in this thread suggesting that FF's performance is not that snappy but I cannot seem to notice any difference. I tried to switch from Chrome to Firefox a few months ago but I had a terrible experience using Hangouts with a customer for two hours. The Firefox degraded until a point of no return and that sucks when you are talking with a customer. I initially blamed the network but there was no s…

> I tried to switch from Chrome to Firefox but I had a terrible experience using Hangouts

So, you're saying Google's anti-competitive tactic of degrading and not supporting other browsers worked on you. Did you know there's a name for that tactic? Embrace Extend Extinguish.

Did you consider using another, more neutral video conference system?

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by sametmax »

eksemplar wrote: post #270
bjz_ wrote: post #9

Been really enjoying Firefox, especially after Quantum. More devs should support and use it, lest we be beholden to Chrome for the rest of time.

I use Firefox for development, but I use safari (privately) and edge (professionally) for browsing, and see no real advantages to using either Firefox or Chrome for that. I think modern Firefox is a much better browser than Chrome though, but Mozilla certainly lost the PR war and to no fault but their own, because Firefox sure sucked for a long while.

> but Mozilla certainly lost the PR war and to no fault but their own, because Firefox sure sucked for a long while.

The last part is true, it did suck for a while. But I can't say "no fault but their own". Even if they rocked, they would have taken a big hit: chrome was advertised for a long time, and at no cost, using solicitating prompts directly on the most consultated and trusted web page in the world.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by executesorder66 »

keithnz wrote: post #165
bjz_ wrote: post #9

Been really enjoying Firefox, especially after Quantum. More devs should support and use it, lest we be beholden to Chrome for the rest of time.

I like firefox, and use it a lot at work as generally my main browser with DDG as the , but I end up going back to chrome quite a bit Things that bug me - For some reason often when I have quite a few tabs, open link in new tab stops working, the tab appears then disappears instantly, oddly if I use Vimium to open the tab in a new link it works. Mostly I use Vimium so this is not too much of a problem - Copy pasting…

I have at least 30 tabs open at a time on some confluence page. None of them ever gave me any issues. So I think that's specific to you.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by mehrdadn »

sametmax wrote: post #500
mehrdadn wrote: post #460

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually tried switching. I found Firefox to be still slower than Chrome. At least on Google sites it may not be their fault but knowing where to put the blame doesn't help me on my end. Marketing doesn't seem like the likely fix.

Are you on Mac? If yes, it's not a feeling, it's a real problem Mozilla is trying to address but have yet to crack. Firefox is an order of magnitude more performant on windows and linux.

Nope, Windows. Google.com itself spends at least 1 second switching its logo placeholder to its image on Firefox. See here for more: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18055952

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by realradicalwash »

moccachino wrote: post #489
bad_user wrote: post #480

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> “ I am tired of listening to people screaming their lungs out about privacy when their actions don't reflect their opinions. ” Those screaming for privacy, like myself, are in fact a small minority. Also regardless of the topic, double standards are rampant in this community. You’ll often see people screaming against Google but still using @gmail.com because paying for a domain and the price of one coffee per month…

To be fair it does take much more than $20 worth of effort to migrate all your stuff from gmail. How much more I don't know since I've yet to do it, even though I've been paying for another email service for more than a year.

I finally did it this year! All the scandals (dragonfly, drone programme, auto sign-in in chrome, grabbing data through auto translate, etc.) were just too much.

Getting away from the convinient variant, for which I paid with my user data, to privacy oriented choices felt empowering.

I went with Posteo for email and calendar (EUR12/pa), went from mostly FF to all-in FFk (donated to Mozilla), from Google search to DDG and Qwant.

It's somewhat more effort. But it is worth it imv.

I am still on Android though. But I installed netguard, which reigns in Android somewhat. The only thing I struggle to find: A good alternative to the Google maps app (open street maps is decent for desktop).

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by sametmax »

reaperducer wrote: post #253
kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not just configure your server or a proxy to add the necessary headers that unlock CORS restrictions.

Because in real companies the IT department needs a real good reason, or a large number of devs that need it, to reconfigure a server that way. If you're not a lone wolf, or working in the SV bubble, the IT and security departments are going to tell you to go pound sand.

It's 2 lines of code with most modern web frameworks with junior level knowledge required. Actually, any people with decent dev skills (any people that receives money for code should...) add a conf switch for that since the begining of the project.

I don't buy your comment at all.

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