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Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by mjolk »

Touche wrote: post #509
jhh wrote: post #507

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Because this would allow these millions of people to continue using this fork of XP rather than eventually buying a MS operating system.

But this is the attitude Microsoft needs to eliminate. The days of making money on operating systems is rapidly fading away. They already gave away Windows 8.1 as a free upgrade, so they're aware of it. An open source XP would get many hackers interested in Windows, something they desperately need.

Citation needed.

They are definitely making money on closed-source operating systems and operating system tools:

http://www.microsoft.com/investor/EarningsAndFinancials/Earn...

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by beagle3 »

CmonDev wrote: post #496
eric-hu wrote: post #492

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What's your suggested alternative to html5?

WPF

You forgot the sarcasm tags, I see. Or you don't have much experience with WPF. It might be nice in theory, but I've had to work around enough bugs marked "wontfix" that I recommend everyone stay away.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by mjolk »

andrewflnr wrote: post #467
abhipatti wrote: post #464

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Would it not be a major security problem .. Since so many people use windows and hackers would know loop more easily and attack

To roughly the same extent as Linux and *BSD, yes.

Linux and BSD have the security advantage of having their ugliness shown to the world for decades. When you push a change that everyone can see, you don't have the option of hiding your ugliness behind a compiler.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by Mikeb85 »

YZF wrote: post #273
taylodl wrote: post #197

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Why? What good would a strong Microsoft provide us? What void would that fill? We've been there, done that and frankly, I don't care to go back. They abused their power when they had it and I have no intent of giving it back to them to give them another crack at it. No, I much prefer today's world of Google, Apple, Samsung and FOSS in all its myriad forms battling it out. There's more developer frameworks than ever a…

Really? The world of Google and Apple (Samsung and FOSS aren't even a player) is a world of closed computing platforms where people can't control their own devices and can't and don't code for them. More languages? I don't think so. How many languages can you use to write apps for your iPhone or Android device? Objective C and Java respectively and that's about it. With Google not only do you not control your apps/de…

> How many languages can you use to write apps for your iPhone or Android device?

iOS - ObjC, Ruby, Common Lisp, Haxe, Java, HTML5, C#, C++, probably others...

Android - Ruby, Python, Clojure, Java, Common Lisp, Haxe, C#, HTML5, Scala, C++, C, anything that runs on the JVM or translates to Java, anything that compiles to native code. Basically everything. Some are easier than others.

On my phone there are commercial apps that run on Clojure and Haxe, two fairly obscure languages.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by Mikeb85 »

YZF wrote: post #273
taylodl wrote: post #197

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Why? What good would a strong Microsoft provide us? What void would that fill? We've been there, done that and frankly, I don't care to go back. They abused their power when they had it and I have no intent of giving it back to them to give them another crack at it. No, I much prefer today's world of Google, Apple, Samsung and FOSS in all its myriad forms battling it out. There's more developer frameworks than ever a…

Really? The world of Google and Apple (Samsung and FOSS aren't even a player) is a world of closed computing platforms where people can't control their own devices and can't and don't code for them. More languages? I don't think so. How many languages can you use to write apps for your iPhone or Android device? Objective C and Java respectively and that's about it. With Google not only do you not control your apps/de…

> FOSS aren't even a player

This is hilarious, since Linux and BSDs are just killing it in the server space - take a look at stats on Amazon EC2, or DigitalOcean, or even just server market share stats. Take a look at what pretty much every web service uses as their backend (Linux).

Linux is pretty much the only game in town in the HPC (supercomputing) market.

> As a developer it actually feels worse.

I'm currently working with someone who only knows how to program with a ton of hand-holding from VS. I don't doubt it feels worse for you.

Linux makes development feel 1000x better if you are willing to learn a few basic things, which you'll retain forever.

This is why the world is better today - because Apple, Google, MS, IBM - not one of them 'controls' anything. They all push a little in various directions, but openness is winning. Linux is more relevant than ever, Mozilla is more relevant than ever, and the open web is bigger than ever.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by scholia »

CmonDev wrote: post #488
machbio wrote: post #447

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That would be the most awesome thing that could ever happen, when they can just keep offering the windows 8 for the customers in boxed but allowing developers to contribute to the project.. I cannot think of percentage of people who will be lost customers, it will not matter when everyone in another 10 years will have their own linux systems on cloud..

Is next decade finally going to be the decade of Linux?

The next decade will be the decade of Linux, and always will be ;-)

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by Mikeb85 »

BlackDeath3 wrote: post #311
sdegutis wrote: post #265

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I'm guessing you haven't tried MS's latest desktop platform developer suite?

Yeah, I don't really get that above post at all. Perhaps it's just because I haven't strayed too far into the web/mobile space (Dart, Android applications, etc.), but when I think of the "programming space", I think of Microsoft (VS, C#, XNA, .NET, etc.) much quicker than I do Google.

Didn't Microsoft deprecate XNA? So now Monogame is taking over?

When I think 'programming space' I think open-source - C, C++, Java, Mono, Javascript, Python, Ruby, R, Lisps, Rust, Dart, Go, Haskell, OCaml, etc...

Google doesn't immediately come to mind because they just use and give back to the OSS space, not caring too much to lock developers in.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by Mikeb85 »

Touche wrote: post #439
shanselman wrote: post #398

It's worth noting that under Satya (in my org, Cloud and Enterprise) we open sourced ASP.NET, use 50+ OSS libraries in Visual Studio, have all the Azure cloud SDKs on GitHub, and on and on. We made Portable Libraries happen and now share code between iOS, Android, and Windows. This is not your grandfather's MSFT, and now the dude who helped us (Azure) change things in a fundamentally non-MSFT and totally awesome way…

I suggest open sourcing Windows. Put it on GitHub with a permissive license and accept pull requests. The internet will blow up, you'll instantly win back all of the developer mindshare that has been lost over the years.

I for one, would welcome a day where I can put install MS Office and VS on my Linux system without any hacks.

I think Microsoft would do very well to go the IBM route, and a FOSS Windows would really shake up the market.

Anyhow, the new MS CEO seems like a good guy, hopefully it's the beginning of a less evil, nicer Microsoft.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by Mikeb85 »

henrikschroder wrote: post #192
moistgorilla wrote: post #178

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I will switch to windows if they make it as easy to develop on as it is on unix. Maybe have a fully supported unix commandline emulator?

You're conflating "easy" with "familiar".

No. Unix/Linux and the command line IS easier for development, once you get over the initial learning phase. So many great command line tools and functions, you can get a language, or an environment up and running in seconds instead of dozens of minutes or hours...

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by anoncow »

Touche wrote: post #439
shanselman wrote: post #398

It's worth noting that under Satya (in my org, Cloud and Enterprise) we open sourced ASP.NET, use 50+ OSS libraries in Visual Studio, have all the Azure cloud SDKs on GitHub, and on and on. We made Portable Libraries happen and now share code between iOS, Android, and Windows. This is not your grandfather's MSFT, and now the dude who helped us (Azure) change things in a fundamentally non-MSFT and totally awesome way…

I suggest open sourcing Windows. Put it on GitHub with a permissive license and accept pull requests. The internet will blow up, you'll instantly win back all of the developer mindshare that has been lost over the years.

This is an amazing idea. I am sure there is a way to charge for licenses for completely open source software. Will Satya do this? Can he do this?
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