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Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by yuhong »

michaelhoffman wrote: post #11

John W. Thompson was once general manager of the division of IBM that produced OS/2[1], which was soundly defeated by Microsoft. I wonder how he feels about being chairman of Microsoft now given that previous experience. [1] Around this time, he reported to an executive named John M. Thompson, hence the use of middle initials.

Well, what I called the "MS OS/2 2.0 fiasco" is one of my favorite topics, and as I said before I have a bad opinion against MS about it. Notice it was Paul Maritz who wrote http://antitrust.slated.org/www.iowaconsumercase.org/011607/... BTW.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by gress »

aragot wrote: post #409
gress wrote: post #347

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hang on - how has google enriched the developer space?

Guava is the main piece I think about. GWT? Guice? What else?

Hardly setting fire to the world. Really nothing by comparison to what FOSS has accomplished without them.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by gress »

skalkin wrote: post #332
cygwin98 wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Bing is a lost battle. The real question is what can they do on Azure, and can they move people to a cloud-based Office suite. Bing is actually doing surprisingly well, considering the team competes with probably the most successful department and the foundation of GOOG. IMHO it's likely one of very few successful strategic moves of MSFT in competitive markets. Without Bing, GOOG would pretty much print money…

"Without Bing, GOOG would pretty much print money and pour money on whatever futuristic projects they feel like. " You say it like Google's futuristic projects are bad things; if anything, we need more of them!

They are bad things if they empower an ever more powerful monopoly.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by porker »

vacri wrote: post #374
porker wrote: post #195

I love the quote "Our industry does not respect tradition - it only respects innovation". The most profound words I've read all day. What would our industry be like if it respects tradition? Less reinventing the wheel every decade?

Given that the internet as the public knows it is only 20 years old, there's really not that much tradition. A kid in 1990 wouldn't say "I wanna be a web developer", because that job simply did not exist - it would still be several years before Mosaic came along (it's just had it's 21st birthday)

For the internet perhaps not. For our industry - we can trace it back to the 1950s or 1960s (I know there were earlier uses of computers, but I've never sen them as similar enough to our pattern).

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by porker »

shanselman wrote: post #412
spiderPig wrote: post #408

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And I'm totally stoked to learn that Scott Guthrie has been promoted to take Satya's place. Both of you guys are awesome! Now when are you going to open up C#, CLR and buy Xamarin ;)?

Things are pretty open now, but we're going to open things up as much as we can. As for buying them, why mess up a good thing?

Because we'd love to use C# across more platforms, and the 2nd class citizen status of Mono in the *nix world makes us sad :(

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by porker »

zmmmmm wrote: post #364
adamt wrote: post #160

I'd never thought I'd say this after the years of aggressive (and at times anti-competitive) dominance but I think the world needs a strong Microsoft again. Although Microsoft remains very strong in the corporate world, its presence in the Internet and mobile worlds are now pretty limited and leaving the two power-houses of Google and Apple to shape the industry. Satya has done a good job with Azure, and it will be i…

> I think the world needs a strong Microsoft again It's extremely dangerous to think if Microsoft as weak. They have enormous profits and revenue - far, far bigger than Google, for example - that are secure far into the future. They are willing to plow this money for an almost indefinite amount of time into any product to brute force it to success (see Xbox) and they are willing stoop lower and employ underhand tacti…

> they are willing stoop lower and employ underhand tactics to an extent that nobody else in the industry will match.

Worse than Google or Amazon's dominance of the marketplace? The squashing out competition that they do? I don't think so - Microsoft could be on a par perhaps, but certainly no worse.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by machbio »

Touche wrote: post #439
shanselman wrote: post #398

It's worth noting that under Satya (in my org, Cloud and Enterprise) we open sourced ASP.NET, use 50+ OSS libraries in Visual Studio, have all the Azure cloud SDKs on GitHub, and on and on. We made Portable Libraries happen and now share code between iOS, Android, and Windows. This is not your grandfather's MSFT, and now the dude who helped us (Azure) change things in a fundamentally non-MSFT and totally awesome way…

I suggest open sourcing Windows. Put it on GitHub with a permissive license and accept pull requests. The internet will blow up, you'll instantly win back all of the developer mindshare that has been lost over the years.

That would be the most awesome thing that could ever happen, when they can just keep offering the windows 8 for the customers in boxed but allowing developers to contribute to the project.. I cannot think of percentage of people who will be lost customers, it will not matter when everyone in another 10 years will have their own linux systems on cloud..

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by chmullig »

Touche wrote: post #439
shanselman wrote: post #398

It's worth noting that under Satya (in my org, Cloud and Enterprise) we open sourced ASP.NET, use 50+ OSS libraries in Visual Studio, have all the Azure cloud SDKs on GitHub, and on and on. We made Portable Libraries happen and now share code between iOS, Android, and Windows. This is not your grandfather's MSFT, and now the dude who helped us (Azure) change things in a fundamentally non-MSFT and totally awesome way…

I suggest open sourcing Windows. Put it on GitHub with a permissive license and accept pull requests. The internet will blow up, you'll instantly win back all of the developer mindshare that has been lost over the years.

I think his next move will be to only accept payment in bitcoin.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by curiousfiddler »

shanselman wrote: post #398

It's worth noting that under Satya (in my org, Cloud and Enterprise) we open sourced ASP.NET, use 50+ OSS libraries in Visual Studio, have all the Azure cloud SDKs on GitHub, and on and on. We made Portable Libraries happen and now share code between iOS, Android, and Windows. This is not your grandfather's MSFT, and now the dude who helped us (Azure) change things in a fundamentally non-MSFT and totally awesome way…

Also: You guys contribute a lot of good work to Hadoop and related projects.

Disclaimer: I contribute to some ASF projects.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by veidr »

usingpond wrote: post #136
swashboon wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I can't even remember when I last used any MS product > Microsoft has a massive foothold in enterprise > You must not work in the corporate world You said you never interact with MS products, those products have a massive foothold in the corporate world, therefore you probably do not work in the corporate world. If you are doing corporate work, not just software development (though even that too) in a corporate set…

Well, count me outside that norm too. I work in a pretty corporate environment and nobody here uses Microsoft stuff. In fact, I've never worked anywhere where the vast majority of people weren't on a Mac.

How long have you been working?

In my job, each year I end up in dozens of meetings between corporate executives from different countries around the world. Nowadays, it is true that I see them bringing mostly Macs and iPads.

But this is, in my experience, a rather astonishing change from even 5 years ago, when 95% of the computers I would see these visitors bring would be Windows (and the majority of those still being Windows XP).

The Apple hegemony is still a pretty new thing.

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