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Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by klipt »

malbs wrote: post #437
Moto7451 wrote: post #416

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Also add Delphi and C++ on iOS/Android/Win Phone platforms and Scala on Android http://www.embarcadero.com/products/rad-studio/ios-developme... http://scala-ide.org/docs/tutorials/androiddevelopment/index...

I think I know the answer to this question, but I'll ask anyway - Have you seriously tried to use the Embarcadero products for a "shippable" ios/android app? I'm guessing no. The entire experience is a sorry joke. I'm a big fan of Delphi as far as a tool to produce good/fast/native apps goes. They really dropped the ball with the ios/android tools. They ripped off GPL code, causing multiple patches to "fix" mis-appro…

Anders Hejlsberg, the chief architect of Delphi moved to MS in 1996 and became lead architect of C# in 2000. Which kind of explains why C# has many of Delphi's nicer features.

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Post by eric-hu »

CmonDev wrote: post #483
shanselman wrote: post #398

It's worth noting that under Satya (in my org, Cloud and Enterprise) we open sourced ASP.NET, use 50+ OSS libraries in Visual Studio, have all the Azure cloud SDKs on GitHub, and on and on. We made Portable Libraries happen and now share code between iOS, Android, and Windows. This is not your grandfather's MSFT, and now the dude who helped us (Azure) change things in a fundamentally non-MSFT and totally awesome way…

OSS is nice, but why do you guys keep pushing the shitty HTML5? It is totally crap for enterprise. Also EF is always trying to catch up with NHibernate, why not simply contribute to the latter?

What's your suggested alternative to html5?

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by herokusaki »

Touche wrote: post #439
shanselman wrote: post #398

It's worth noting that under Satya (in my org, Cloud and Enterprise) we open sourced ASP.NET, use 50+ OSS libraries in Visual Studio, have all the Azure cloud SDKs on GitHub, and on and on. We made Portable Libraries happen and now share code between iOS, Android, and Windows. This is not your grandfather's MSFT, and now the dude who helped us (Azure) change things in a fundamentally non-MSFT and totally awesome way…

I suggest open sourcing Windows. Put it on GitHub with a permissive license and accept pull requests. The internet will blow up, you'll instantly win back all of the developer mindshare that has been lost over the years.

If Microsoft released the source code to Windows 98 OSR2, which is effectively abandonware as far as I understand, it would be great. A lot of multimedia applications and old games would instantly become easier to preserve.

Is there still any value for Microsoft in Win9x?

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by NigelTufnel »

girvo wrote: post #475
angryasian wrote: post #331

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>businesses can't opt out of how they're listed. This makes 0 sense. You can absolutely opt out, but wouldn't every business want to be at the top. I imagine if someone comes up with a better page ranking algorithm they definitely have a shot at beating google. >bundling I think its referred to single sign on in the enterprise world. Its much better than having to remember different logons and profiles for every goog…

I imagine if someone comes up with a better page ranking algorithm they definitely have a shot at beating google. Not a chance... about the same as Linux has at beating Windows on the desktop, in my opinion. It's too entrenched, too far ahead, barrier to entry to even get to a level playing field is too high... I'd love to see it, to be honest. I hope beyond hope it will happen. But I think it's more likely to see so…

I agree. It's not just the algorithm, scale etc. It's the chicken/egg problem - to have a good page ranking you need a lot of usage data from a lot of users and to get a lot of users you need a good page ranking.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by CmonDev »

eric-hu wrote: post #492
CmonDev wrote: post #483

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OSS is nice, but why do you guys keep pushing the shitty HTML5? It is totally crap for enterprise. Also EF is always trying to catch up with NHibernate, why not simply contribute to the latter?

What's your suggested alternative to html5?

WPF

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by Touche »

herokusaki wrote: post #494
Touche wrote: post #439

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I suggest open sourcing Windows. Put it on GitHub with a permissive license and accept pull requests. The internet will blow up, you'll instantly win back all of the developer mindshare that has been lost over the years.

If Microsoft released the source code to Windows 98 OSR2, which is effectively abandonware as far as I understand, it would be great. A lot of multimedia applications and old games would instantly become easier to preserve. Is there still any value for Microsoft in Win9x?

Why not XP? The have no interest in supporting it. And millions of people still want to use it.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by Touche »

InclinedPlane wrote: post #453
Touche wrote: post #439

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I suggest open sourcing Windows. Put it on GitHub with a permissive license and accept pull requests. The internet will blow up, you'll instantly win back all of the developer mindshare that has been lost over the years.

You obviously have no concept of what the windows source looks like. Putting it on github would be a massive technical challenge alone.

Isn't Microsoft in the business of solving technical challenges?

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by rjbwork »

spiderPig wrote: post #359
rjbwork wrote: post #307

I'm really hoping this gives Scott Guthrie and Scott Hanselman a path up the MS corporate ladder. They're contributions to the .NET dev community cannot be understated.

I heard Scott is already pretty high up in the ladder and reports to Satya today. I hope he takes over Satya's position and heads the Cloud and developer efforts though.

Yes, this is exactly what I was alluding to. Scott Guthrie is the reason ASP.NET has so many Microsoft made open source components, so having him in a position of greater power can only be good for MS, the dev community, and OSS in general, I think.

Re: Satya Nadella – Microsoft's CEO

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Post by vetinari »

YZF wrote: post #425
bad_user wrote: post #356

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Windows Phone 8 ... not open-source, doesn't have anything like CyanogenMod, cannot be forked, does not allow app installs from third-party sources, doesn't allow replacing Bing's search with anything else (and the available setting in IExplorer for setting the in-browser search provider doesn't work) and wifi tethering must be explicitly allowed by the mobile career (which is a PITA since my mobile career couldn't w…

I think I'm older than you... Anyone owning a computing device in the days of Microsoft's reign was able to use any programming language in existence (pretty much) to do development for their device. The APIs were accessible and libraries and technologies played with each other. Mostly because they were around some common lower denominator (e.g. a C or lower level API). You could install anyone's software without nee…

I think you are remembering it a little more rosy tinted than it really was.

You could use any programming language you wanted - as long as you ported the headers and import libs to it. The Windows SDK and other Microsoft SDKs supported only C (Microsoft's, not Borland's or Watcom's, nor GCC) and Visual Basic. Wanted to use Delhi and Borland didn't create import units yet? Too bad, you had that to do for yourself.

Which is similar situation today. Both iOS and Android have well defined ABIs. Do you want to use something, that is not oficially supported by respective vendors? You can create the bindings for yourself. Nobody is preventing you. For some languages it was done, for some it was not. Android by its nature supports anything that compiles into Java bytecode, so even the bindings problem is a less of an importance. (Yes, there could be problem with Clojure, because of different assumptions on the part of Clojure and the constrains on Android devices. Due to that, it will run, but very slowly).

You can install any apk on Android device, without any intermediary. On the other hand, Microsoft got Apple envy and does prevent you from installing any application on WP handset.

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