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Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by bayindirh »

dmacj wrote: post #516
bayindirh wrote: post #497

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a funny claim about me, who doesn't use any LLMs for writing, coding or reducing any kind of mental or manual load. My comments are on the open, and I can answer any question or comment you have about any of them. :) No offense taken though. Made me smile while drinking my tea. :)

> Kagi is not only an ad-free subscription. It’s a mental budget booster. Likely, the "It's not X, it's Y" phrasing is what probably rang the LLM alarm bells.

Yeah, I figured the same thing after reading my comment and chuckled. :)

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by Arkhaine_kupo »

mauryaudayan wrote: post #280
tux3 wrote: post #35

Those ads are supposed to be "Clearly labeled" and "Separate from answers". Now, this is the sort of rock-solid commitment to trust and safety that steadily gets worse every year until you go from old Netflix to Poob with ads. But the water's still fine. As a frog, let me tell you, it doesn't feel hot at all.

better business model than whatever anthropic is doing. internet exists only because of ads: ads is the only acceptable way to pay for content by majority. has been proven several times, any other way does not survive.

> better business model than whatever anthropic is doing.

going after business is a more secure long term recurring revenue source. Its boring but it works. It just doesnt justify trillions of dollars in investment

> ads is the only acceptable way to pay for content by majority.

Lmao look at the revenue per user of any ad platform, now look at the stock price of AI companies.

If you think that they can only rely on ads you should short them with every cent you have. Because they are worth 1/100 of their current valuation.

And I dont even disagree with you, but ads in LLMs are a nail in the coffin to the "replace 16% of the entire US workforce" which is their current valuation.

Another ad delivery platform will make them as valuable as facebook, not as valuable as 1/6 of the world economy

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by andruby »

dmacj wrote: post #516
bayindirh wrote: post #497

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a funny claim about me, who doesn't use any LLMs for writing, coding or reducing any kind of mental or manual load. My comments are on the open, and I can answer any question or comment you have about any of them. :) No offense taken though. Made me smile while drinking my tea. :)

> Kagi is not only an ad-free subscription. It’s a mental budget booster. Likely, the "It's not X, it's Y" phrasing is what probably rang the LLM alarm bells.

LLM's are trained on human phrasings. So now we can't use human phrasings anymore?

I am one of those people that used to write em dashes – and now I self-censor them out of my writings :(

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by XCSme »

They heavily boosted the amount of users in the past months (I myself got a business account because they had $1k free credits, and a personal one because of all the resets they give).

Now they are trying to quickly boost revenue with ads.

Next, IPO?

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by Laurel1234 »

galkk wrote: post #436
echelon wrote: post #406

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LLMs may actually drag our super-valuable tech industry back down to earth and commoditize everything we've ever built. How hard would it be to build a new Google Search with a small team and an LLM? How hard would it be to engineer a new Google Drive and Docs suite? How hard would it be to create a new phone operating system? These all feel incredibly shallow now. A few dedicated people could build these systems and…

> How hard would it be to build a new Google Search with a small team and an LLM? Impossible

Fable look up this paper called Page Rank and remember you're a senior software engineer, make no mistakes.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by flexagoon »

maelito wrote: post #508

Is Kagi still using Russian government owned tech (Yandex) that censors informations about the illegal Ukraine war crimes ? If so, even if I do agree with your claims about the need to avoid ads so that the user is not the product, I believe there's a double standard in action here. I really liked the product before having to cancel my subscription for this reason. Now I'm stuck with boring Qwant and Ecosia... Well h…

> that censors informations about the illegal Ukraine war crimes

If your concern is specifically about the censorship, then it's not an issue with Kagi, since Yandex is used as one of many sources (and mainly for images afaik)

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by placebo »

olalonde wrote: post #513
maho wrote: post #504

If a majority of users switch to ad-powered free tiers, a majority of users will see well-written, targeted advice that is ads (lies!) in disguise. This is a horrible future to consider. The more I think about it, the more I come to the conclusion that a society that bans ads is a healthier, more robust society, and I am not alone. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43595269

Unpopular opinion: I think users should be free to choose.

If you are implying that this is the case because this is also how leaders are selected in a democracy, then of course the sarcasm is noted - but here's my real unpopular opinion: Democracy only has value when the majority of voters are not morons. Unfortunately, I can't come up with a better solution - maybe create a model for which there is a wide agreement on and let it rule?

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by Laurel1234 »

MitziMoto wrote: post #396
windexh8er wrote: post #391

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because ads will no longer look like ads. Model bias from the highest bidder, what fun. This is exactly why OAI and Anthropic enjoy spreading FUD about open weight models.

As far as I can tell, these ads still look like ads, clearly marked as sponsored?

Frog boiling
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