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Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by darkwater »

MitziMoto wrote: post #396
windexh8er wrote: post #391

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because ads will no longer look like ads. Model bias from the highest bidder, what fun. This is exactly why OAI and Anthropic enjoy spreading FUD about open weight models.

As far as I can tell, these ads still look like ads, clearly marked as sponsored?

Look at how ads in Google SERP were before 2014 (and they already crossed "we won't put ads" line a few years before)

https://www.bmon.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/deep-hole-...

Now, well, if you do the same exact search, at least in my location (and with UBlock disabled) it's frankly a mess but must admit that sponsored links are not even the first thing you see. There is the AI result, then the Wikipedia result, then some random result, then the sponsored block with a flat headline separating it and then the organic results, I presume.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by Gareth321 »

maho wrote: post #504

If a majority of users switch to ad-powered free tiers, a majority of users will see well-written, targeted advice that is ads (lies!) in disguise. This is a horrible future to consider. The more I think about it, the more I come to the conclusion that a society that bans ads is a healthier, more robust society, and I am not alone. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43595269

I am also worried about this. Typical ads are already devastatingly effective against most people, causing incalculable distortions in market dynamics and incalculable losses to consumers. This is an order of magnitude worse.

But there is something even more insidious: elections. Ads will be purchased to shape public perceptions. Those with the deepest pockets will have ads which are charismatic, convincing, and unbelievably effective. This is the death of democracy if regulation isn't adopted right now.

Unfortunately this isn't straightforward. The distinction between a product, service, person, and party are impossible to clearly delineate. Is a SpaceX ad an endorsement of Elon Musk? Is an Elon Musk ad an endorsement of the U.S. Republicans? The famous Citizens United ruling determined that there is no practical legal distinction in this domain, meaning that without a Constitutional amendment (which will never happen in this political climate), the U.S. is going to barrel headlong into some kind of dystopia.

My only ray of sunshine here is competition. If OpenAI gets a reputation for untrustworthy AI, and there are viable competitors, people will hopefully switch. It's messy and imperfect and will require constant vigilance (because they're not going to tell us when they're misleading us). I think open weights models have become very good, and will improve much more over time. When we can reasonably run these models locally, ubiquitously, we have cost effective options.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by olalonde »

maho wrote: post #504

If a majority of users switch to ad-powered free tiers, a majority of users will see well-written, targeted advice that is ads (lies!) in disguise. This is a horrible future to consider. The more I think about it, the more I come to the conclusion that a society that bans ads is a healthier, more robust society, and I am not alone. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43595269

Unpopular opinion: I think users should be free to choose.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by Hoefner »

cuu508 wrote: post #470
freediver wrote: post #404

7 years ago we started the 'you are not the product' movement for digital information consumption with Kagi Search. Since then the paradigm shifted from search to agents. Good to see the need for 'you are not the product' still holds up, maybe even more so now: an agent is only worth trusting if it works for you and nobody else. The second an advertiser gets between you and the answer, that's gone. So we're staying o…

Please reconsider Kagi's partnership with Yandex.

What’s wrong with Yandex? How is it any different from Bing, Google etc?

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by [deleted] »

maho wrote: post #504

If a majority of users switch to ad-powered free tiers, a majority of users will see well-written, targeted advice that is ads (lies!) in disguise. This is a horrible future to consider. The more I think about it, the more I come to the conclusion that a society that bans ads is a healthier, more robust society, and I am not alone. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43595269

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Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by dmacj »

bayindirh wrote: post #497
phyalow wrote: post #492

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These comments feel like llm authored astro turfing…

It's a funny claim about me, who doesn't use any LLMs for writing, coding or reducing any kind of mental or manual load. My comments are on the open, and I can answer any question or comment you have about any of them. :) No offense taken though. Made me smile while drinking my tea. :)

> Kagi is not only an ad-free subscription. It’s a mental budget booster.

Likely, the "It's not X, it's Y" phrasing is what probably rang the LLM alarm bells.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by Arkhaine_kupo »

blfr wrote: post #464
kubb wrote: post #400

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The golden age of LLMs may be coming to an end. Soon we’ll see the same phenomenon as we have with Google Search results and with YouTube, with Facebook and Windows. People will rend their garments and lament the loss of the „old models” but the logic of the system that produced them will remain unchanged. Everyone will keep asking themselves how it happened and what can be done about it. Meanwhile the Claude that we…

The YouTube golden age is right now. The content is the most varied, from super niche 2k views a video vloggers to massive terrestrial channels alternatives. To the point where I think creative poverty of established fields is caused by younger creatives being on YouTube and TikTok instead of writing rooms at old media. Windows has fallen off hard but Linux has never been better. The personal computing in general has…

> The content is the most varied

If no one can find it, you basically have a modern digital version of the "if a tree falls and no one hears it does it make a sound".

Discoverability in youtube is currently absurdly shit. The algo just decides you like something and shows you the exact same videos you have already watched 30 times. Its so so bad, specially with how good the front page and side recommendations used to be.

Now its a fight of shorts, repeated videos, AI garbage, and search ignoring explicitly your request.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by kubanczyk »

bambax wrote: post #475
dijit wrote: post #357

I upvoted this submission, not because I like this, but because I think people need to see this. If you are looking at upvotes as a measure of support OpenAI: Don’t.

At least in this configuration ads are separate from answers. I fear there will come a time where ads will be intermingled in the response tokens. In fact SEO people on SEO forums have been talking about how to inject products into training for many months; but at some point the model operators will offer this directly.

> At least in this configuration ads are separate from answers.

As a frog would say: at least the heat is separate from water, for now.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by dbdr »

LordDragonfang wrote: post #480
windexh8er wrote: post #391

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because ads will no longer look like ads. Model bias from the highest bidder, what fun. This is exactly why OAI and Anthropic enjoy spreading FUD about open weight models.

Genuine question, was this comment written without opening the link? Because I can't see how you've come to this conclusion unless you're skipping several steps. The ads in TFA still look like ads to me.

"ads will no longer look like ads" (in the future). Ads are clearly marked in the first step, but will likely be more and more blended over time (or worse, biasing the model and therefore the output itself). That's the logical future, because that's better for the advertiser, which is the paying customer.

That already happened on Google search: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49003372

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