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U.S. government will decide who gets to use GPT-5.6

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Are these models still relevant for people outside the US? I get the impression we're stuck on GPT 5.5 and Opus 4.8 pretty much permanently now, and relying on Chinese models in future.

That’s assuming China would not start controlling the access to their models.

Chinese companies can make a killing selling on prem AI systems to the rest of the world now.

Big boxes with Huawei GPUs and Chinese open models to run inside your company without network access.

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That until it becomes illegal to have or use open source models without approval and licence from government. With more talks about on device scanning, this could be easily plumbed in. If OS detects there is open source model, it could brick your device or alert authorities. Then next step will be limiting what operating system you can install. Likely only those where you cannot remove client side scanning.

I wonder how you can reliably detect an open source model though. It can be stored in any binary format, and the weights can be modified slightly so that the float values are completely different while the network works the same. The binary that runs it can be obfuscated as well. Maybe the hardware could detect common LLM inference patterns at runtime? That would probably produce many false positives.

You don’t need to detect it, you just need to incentivize employees and competitors to snitch on companies using unapproved models.

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Not only that, but using Opus 4.8 [1m] right now outside the US, and suddenly I only have a 500k context window. I really hope this is just a strange Claude Code bug, but I had access to a 1 Million window before, and it wouldn't entirely surprise me if context window length becomes another US export restriction. The Anthropic page here seems to say that Max users should have access to the full 1 Million window for 4…

You want to compact early though as sending the whole chat you will end up with a lot of tokens not in the cache which 1. Costs way more and 2. Will slow the request down as it has to process it all.

I do agree in cases where I'm using API and not the subscription, this would be very costly via API. Not sure why the tokens wouldn't be in the cache though? Seems everything should be cached as long as I'm within the 1 hour caching window? If I'm wrong about how token caching works, I'm eager to learn!

My other concern is, it isn't really a 1 Million context window if we can only use the first 500k, right? But now that I've found that I can re-enable it, I'm happy.

I've previously had sessions go to 700k tokens and still be okay, though it does start drifting at that 700k point. I'm regularly at 300k with no problem.

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In most countries around the world corruption/bribes are necessary for doing business. Companies even account for it on their books. It was about time the US caught up.

In the US is already legal. It is called lobbying.

There was at least a veneer of legitimacy there.

These days, they just do it with crypto: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/$Trump

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I'm waiting for that government subcommittee hearing where they are supposed to decide if my new cpu design is big endian or little endian. And they can't seem to decide if it should be coded in octal or hexadecimal. There's a separate committe deciding if the cpu clocke's phase 2 should be 90-degrees or 180 degrees different. There's a special group trying to decide how may accumulators the cpu should have. And there's a markdown already going on to decide if the flags register should have a separate flags for republicans and democrats.

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Are these models still relevant for people outside the US? I get the impression we're stuck on GPT 5.5 and Opus 4.8 pretty much permanently now, and relying on Chinese models in future.

If the US really cracks down on frontier model access, you'll see them make Chinese open models illegal. You might say "oh well, let them try", but they will just put direct and secondary sanctions on every company whose systems have used Chinese models in some way. They just have to make an example out of a few international companies and no one will dare to use Chinese frontier models, at least commercially.

> but they will just put direct and secondary sanctions on every company whose systems have used Chinese models in some way

What about this: companies stop providing AI tokens to their employees entirely and instead, give a monthly budget for developer tools? They can even go as far as saying "if we realise that you use Chinese AI, you will get a warning and then be fired".

It's not like one can identify code coming from Chinese AI, right? As long as a company doesn't pay for those subscriptions, it may just be the employees writing the code all by themselves :-).

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I hope this doesn't become the new norm where government becomes the bottleneck for innovation in the AI space. It's worrying that with no formal and transparent policy framework that the government will be picking winners and losers and stifling innovation. There's been no public policy, executive order, legislation, or otherwise on this, I wonder if anyone has filed FOIA requests for these decisions or the conversa…

In the EU that's the norm not the exception. A little taste of Europe for our American friends :-S

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Anthropic's fear-mongering and marketing is the reason we have these restrictions in the first place. Despite their virtue signaling, Anthropic is the only major lab that has never released an open weights model, has been caught intentionally nerfing a model after release (Opus 4.6), intentionally and silently degrades performance for suspected competitors and AI researchers, complains incessantly about distillation…

Hasn't OpenAI being doing it for a while too? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48465269

Ironically, Google is the company I'd prefer to have the frontier models.

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Hey some of them take an entire Saturday off to go to a family friendly demonstration holding witty signs in front of their state capitol!

Watch out, ive read that the US government has incarcerated people for about 50 years for doing that.

Stop spreading misinformation. They were found guilty by a jury of their peers of providing material support for terrorism[1]. They shot a cop in the neck.

They coordinated on Signal to bring firearms. They didn't plan to "protest".

They got off lightly. Should have been life without parole.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Prairieland_ICE_detention...

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For personal use I don't care if I get access to it. Tokens are becoming too expensive. I am using Chinese models. What worries me is that my company may never get access. I work for a well known US company, but from Europe, we also have developers in Mexico. I can only guess US gov will take this into account when deciding who gets to use the new models. Even worse than not getting access is getting fired. Since les…

> For personal use I don't care if I get access to it There's a big difference between being priced out of a market option and the government saying you literally cannot buy it. We should all be wary of government controls like this.

in theory yes
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