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U.S. government will decide who gets to use GPT-5.6

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Re: U.S. government will decide who gets to use GPT-5.6

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Post by ElProlactin »

testfrequency wrote: post #65
ElProlactin wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> +1 point to China! Which, like the US, uses export controls when it finds them advantageous: https://nam.org/china-imposes-export-controls-on-u-s-mineral... > In all seriousness, I can’t believe the AI firms are abiding by this peacefully. If I truly loved my company, and I felt we were on the bleeding edge of incredible, life changing products, why would I allow my company to be set up for failure by remaining som…

You wrongly assumed I implied these firms relocate to China. We are all aware of how China operates and controls its assets. AI has long existed in many countries around the world without this type of behavior from the government. Deepmind in the UK, Mistral in France, DeepL in Germany - the governments don’t seem to be forcing employees to get their deploys approved by a government official. My argument is that the…

> You wrongly assumed I implied these firms relocate to China. We are all aware of how China operates and controls its assets.

Then why write "+1 point to China!" and not "+1 point to the UK, France and Germany"?

> Deepmind in the UK, Mistral in France, DeepL in Germany - the governments don’t seem to be forcing employees to get their deploys approved by a government official.

The UK, France and Germany all have their own export controls rules, so if a company in these countries comes up with a model that those governments deem to be of significant enough importance, they also have the means to exercise greater control over them as well.

The latest models from Anthropic and OpenAI are said to be the most advanced in the world. Agree or disagree, like it or not, the powers that be in the US determined that there is sufficient justification to control their export. Under long-standing and perfectly legal export control laws, the US has the ability to issue such orders.

In the case of Anthropic, the company chose to reverse providing public access to Fable because it said it could not comply with the requirement that non-US nationals (even those residing in the US) be restricted from accessing Fable.

> It’s slowing the entire country down at a very critical sink or swim inflection point in this tech.

You might or might not be right, but I think many people would argue that "move fast and break things" is risky when it comes to AI. I can't say that the current administration is genuinely concerned about the broad societal impacts of AI but if the effect of their brand of greater oversight is that companies like Anthropic and OpenAI have to slow down, it might not be a bad thing for humanity.

Re: U.S. government will decide who gets to use GPT-5.6

#102

Post by bilekas »

15155 wrote: post #49
bilekas wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's looking good until you start to see the US gov forcing cloudflare to block hugging face and others.

Why do they need to "force Cloudflare" to do anything? Why wouldn't they just tell Hugging Face that they need to abide export restrictions directly - they're an American company? Doesn't sound dystopian enough without a second compelled entity?

Because the models don't necessarily need to be hosted on hugging face. You can create a Model Card repository containing your README and from there you include instructions or a custom script in your repository that allows authenticated users to download the model.

> Doesn't sound dystopian enough without a second compelled entity?

This is the second snarky question you've made today, the other in relation to the export limit.

> Is this just upsetting because it's a product you want to enjoy?

Both are assumptions you are making and don't provide much in the way of constructive conversation, if I'm wrong about something it's alright to just point it out.

Re: U.S. government will decide who gets to use GPT-5.6

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Post by nixon_why69 »

wewewedxfgdf wrote: post #34

Remember how China turned its tech industry into a smoking ruin - make making them all submit to political priorities: Ant Group: China halted Ant’s IPO and forced a restructuring Alibaba: China fined and politically disciplined Alibaba Didi: China punished Didi after its US listing by removing its apps, freezing users, forcing delisting Tutoring platforms: banned profit from core school-subject tutoring. Tencent gam…

It's really interesting that someone can know all of these domestic Chinese names and yet declare the industry generally a "smoking ruin". Is it from a newsletter or something?

Because anyone who used these companies' products in China would see a pretty large ecosystem that's making a lot of money.

Re: U.S. government will decide who gets to use GPT-5.6

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Post by margorczynski »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #77
margorczynski wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anth/OpenAI simply wanted the government to pull the ladder after them and ban models from China. Seems it blew in their faces and probably the new frontier models will be available only to a select few. Many people predicted this, only a naive person would believe that access to something with these capabilities would be decided by some dude in California.

As entertaining as the sheer Schadenfreude of the situation is, this is terrible for foreign peasants like myself. It no longer makes any sense to pay for America's frontier AI models. I'd be funding the training of models I will never be able to use. GLM 5.2 is competitive with Opus 4.6. If the best model I'll ever get is Opus 4.8, then the choice is clear. I'll miss Opus.

The geopolitical angle of all of this is interesting. Will countries, especially bigger players really just hope they'll get access to something so crucial from the US or China?

Probably the EU could pool together funds to create something competitive as being on the mercy of someone else isn't a pleasant place to be.

And I wouldn't get so used to the open models. Eventually, if they get good enough, the access to them will also get restricted.

Re: U.S. government will decide who gets to use GPT-5.6

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Post by apexalpha »

wewewedxfgdf wrote: post #34

Remember how China turned its tech industry into a smoking ruin - make making them all submit to political priorities: Ant Group: China halted Ant’s IPO and forced a restructuring Alibaba: China fined and politically disciplined Alibaba Didi: China punished Didi after its US listing by removing its apps, freezing users, forcing delisting Tutoring platforms: banned profit from core school-subject tutoring. Tencent gam…

Remember how China turned its tech industry into a smoking ruin

Not really, no. What planet is this on?

Re: U.S. government will decide who gets to use GPT-5.6

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Post by apexalpha »

RickS wrote: post #21

US citizens to remain nonviolent at any cost, issue strongly worded internet comments, and find themselves a little less free every day.

Hey some of them take an entire Saturday off to go to a family friendly demonstration holding witty signs in front of their state capitol!

Re: U.S. government will decide who gets to use GPT-5.6

#107

Post by soraminazuki »

NooneAtAll3 wrote: post #22

"government needs to step in and regulate ai" "wait, not like that"

Yes, to the surprise of some HNers, regulations can be good or bad. Just because there are people unhappy with current regulation doesn't automatically mean regulation shouldn't exist at all.

BTW this isn't an opinion on the availability of GPT 5.6. I couldn't care less about that.

Re: U.S. government will decide who gets to use GPT-5.6

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Post by halJordan »

sonink wrote: post #80

There is an assumption that everyone is making here - that China will not do the same. It is entirely possible, that China restricts their frontier models - as and when they are developed - to only Chinese citizens. And India follows along. IMO AI is different from everything else. It is a weapon as potent as nuclear. It is only natural that it be treated as one.

China already restricts ai models in China. Every model is already submitted to the prc for approval. The us is a follower here

Re: U.S. government will decide who gets to use GPT-5.6

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Post by happytoexplain »

NooneAtAll3 wrote: post #22

"government needs to step in and regulate ai" "wait, not like that"

Usually this format of quip is meant to imply hypocrisy, but that doesn't apply here, so I don't know what you're implying.

It's also more typical of a Reddit or YouTube comment, rather than HN, but that's a separate issue.

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Post by xtracto »

apexalpha wrote: post #106
RickS wrote: post #21

US citizens to remain nonviolent at any cost, issue strongly worded internet comments, and find themselves a little less free every day.

Hey some of them take an entire Saturday off to go to a family friendly demonstration holding witty signs in front of their state capitol!

Watch out, ive read that the US government has incarcerated people for about 50 years for doing that.
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