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U.S. government will decide who gets to use GPT-5.6

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Post by seviu »

pixelpoet wrote: post #133

Are these models still relevant for people outside the US? I get the impression we're stuck on GPT 5.5 and Opus 4.8 pretty much permanently now, and relying on Chinese models in future.

Dont worry, chinese models will distill frontier ones, quite fast.

The excuse they give is borderline childish. I get the thing about slow rollout, make sure partners get to fix the bugs, etc...

But bad actors are hard working motivated entities with tens of thousand of fake ids, and american citizens working for them, for pennies.

All while the ones like or you sit at a crossfire which is borderline useless.

I cant wait to see what Qwen did with the massive distillation they made out of Opus 4.8 and Fable aka Mythos aka pretty sure they jailbroke it.

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Post by scrlk »

prash20026 wrote: post #170
lend000 wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anthropic's fear-mongering and marketing is the reason we have these restrictions in the first place. Despite their virtue signaling, Anthropic is the only major lab that has never released an open weights model, has been caught intentionally nerfing a model after release (Opus 4.6), intentionally and silently degrades performance for suspected competitors and AI researchers, complains incessantly about distillation…

Hasn't OpenAI being doing it for a while too? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48465269

The common denominator between "GPT-2 is too dangerous to release" and Anthropic is Dario.

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Post by wahnfrieden »

postalcoder wrote: post #158
razighter777 wrote: post #135

I hope this doesn't become the new norm where government becomes the bottleneck for innovation in the AI space. It's worrying that with no formal and transparent policy framework that the government will be picking winners and losers and stifling innovation. There's been no public policy, executive order, legislation, or otherwise on this, I wonder if anyone has filed FOIA requests for these decisions or the conversa…

Not a fan of the phased release but I do remember when access to gpt-3 was gated and access to gpt-4 had a staged release. ppl are acting like limited release is unprecedented when, in fact, has been the norm until a few years ago.

Was it the norm for Trump's team to hand-select the specific customers who get access in the staged rollout, and to choose the date of wide release?

Re: U.S. government will decide who gets to use GPT-5.6

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Post by tedsanders »

type4 wrote: post #131

Great, so when do we lowly code-serfs get access to it?

Unfortunately we're not in a position where we can promise an exact date, but we expect it to take weeks (not days or months). It's the best coding model we've ever trained and we're bummed we can't release it to everyone yet. When we do launch, we'll share a lot more evals and testimonials and demos that help show what it's good/bad at. Personally hoping that both GPT-5.6 Sol and Fable 5 get broadly released soon so that everyone (myself included) can try them head to head.

(I work at OpenAI.)

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Post by postalcoder »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #173
postalcoder wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not a fan of the phased release but I do remember when access to gpt-3 was gated and access to gpt-4 had a staged release. ppl are acting like limited release is unprecedented when, in fact, has been the norm until a few years ago.

Was it the norm for Trump's team to hand-select the specific customers who get access in the staged rollout, and to choose the date of wide release?

The AI companies were all asking for the government to regulate them. The government is doing what the companies asked for them to do.

You can argue that, by government, they meant some legislative process, but I'd argue that regulation via bad executive order is much better than regulation via bad legislation because the former is tractable. I say this as an EO minimalist.

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Post by wahnfrieden »

postalcoder wrote: post #175
wahnfrieden wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was it the norm for Trump's team to hand-select the specific customers who get access in the staged rollout, and to choose the date of wide release?

The AI companies were all asking for the government to regulate them. The government is doing what the companies asked for them to do. You can argue that, by government, they meant some legislative process, but I'd argue that regulation via bad executive order is much better than regulation via bad legislation because the former is tractable. I say this as an EO minimalist.

Ok so to be clear you agree this has not been the norm. It seemed like you were clarifying your original message but it was a change of topic, from "this has been the norm" to "this hasn't been the norm but they got what they were asking for" (or what they deserved if not exactly what they asked for). I'll dip out of that conversation.

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Post by derwiki »

logicchains wrote: post #165
tomComb wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This amount of courting the current administration is pretty scary imo. That’s ironic – I interpreted that paragraph with the opposite slant: positively. If that’s what the government mandates then these companies, in the end, have little choice, so was at least relieved to see them publicly pushing back.

>these companies, in the end, have little choice They absolutely do have a choice, Anthropic and OpenAI could fight it in court. Iran showed Trump is a coward, he wouldn't risk tanking the only industry still keeping the stock market growing.

It’s all speculation but I think he would have no qualms about tanking the only industry keeping the stock market growing. But given Kushner’s OAI investments, Trump stands to benefit personally from not tanking the industry.

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Post by SyneRyder »

pixelpoet wrote: post #133

Are these models still relevant for people outside the US? I get the impression we're stuck on GPT 5.5 and Opus 4.8 pretty much permanently now, and relying on Chinese models in future.

Not only that, but using Opus 4.8 [1m] right now outside the US, and suddenly I only have a 500k context window. I really hope this is just a strange Claude Code bug, but I had access to a 1 Million window before, and it wouldn't entirely surprise me if context window length becomes another US export restriction.

The Anthropic page here seems to say that Max users should have access to the full 1 Million window for 4.8:

https://support.claude.com/en/articles/8606394-how-large-is-...

I was already setting up my infra to experiment with GLM 5.2 and its 1 Million token window before this happened. I think I'm glad I did.

EDIT: Found a solution, seems Claude Code 2.1.193 (or an earlier version I didn't notice) changed default settings, so that if you have Autocompact turned on it occurs at 50% of the context window. If you turn off Autocompact, the full 1 Million context window is restored. Another example of Claude Code quietly changing default settings sigh

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