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ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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It's more ironic because without all the scraping openai has done, there would have been no ChatGPT. Also, it's not just the cost of the bandwidth and processing. Information has value too. Otherwise they wouldn't bother scraping it in the first place. They compete directly with the websites featuring their training data and thus they are taking away value from them just as the bots do from ChatGPT. In fact the more…

This leads me to thinking: I ask chatGPT a question and they get the answer from gamefaqs. But what happens if gamefaqs disappears because of lack of traffic? Can LLM actually create or only regurgitate content.

>Can LLM actually create or only regurgitate content.

Contrary to what others say, LLMs can create content. If you have a private repo you can ask the LLM to look at it and answer questions based on that. You can also have it write extra code. Both of these are examples of something that did not exist before.

In terms of gamefaqs, I could theoretically see an LLM play a game and based on that write about the game. This is theoretical, because currently LLMs are nowhere near capable enough to play video games.

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Hey! I'm Nick, and I work on Integrity at OpenAI. These checks are part of how we protect our first-party products from abuse like bots, scraping, fraud, and other attempts to misuse the platform. A big reason we invest in this is because we want to keep free and logged-out access available for more users. My team’s goal is to help make sure the limited GPU resources are going to real users. We also keep a very close…

No, leave it. Surely the mighty OpenAI can deal with the scraping. At least, it seems to think everyone else can

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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> Scraping static content from a website at near-zero marginal cost to its server, vs scraping an expensive LLM service provided for free, are different things. I bet people being fucking DDOSed by AI bots disagree Also the fucking ignorance assuming it's "static content" and not something needing code running

I miss the www where the .html was written in vim or notepad.

It still can be. Do it. Go make your website in M$ Frontpage, for all I care

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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It's absurd how unusable Cloudflare is making the web when using a browser or IP address they consider "suspicious". I've lately been drowning in captchas for the crime of using Firefox. All in the interest of "bot protection", of course.

Heaven forbid you not use JavaScript, then they can't track you keep the internet safe!

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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It's absurd how unusable Cloudflare is making the web when using a browser or IP address they consider "suspicious". I've lately been drowning in captchas for the crime of using Firefox. All in the interest of "bot protection", of course.

I'm with a slightly older Firefox and can't use many websites at all anymore because the Cloudflare cancer. Of course then you got sites like gnu.org too that block you because your slightly outdated user agent.

I... Don't think it does that? It shouldn't, anyway. How long has that been a thing? They've been hit pretty hard by the slop crew lately but I couldn't imagine it being so bad they require an up to date UA

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Hey! I'm Nick, and I work on Integrity at OpenAI. These checks are part of how we protect our first-party products from abuse like bots, scraping, fraud, and other attempts to misuse the platform. A big reason we invest in this is because we want to keep free and logged-out access available for more users. My team’s goal is to help make sure the limited GPU resources are going to real users. We also keep a very close…

Fwiw, I stopped using ChatGPT and went to a competitor because the checks slow down ChatGPT so much that the webapp becomes unusable in anything but a new short chat. CPU usage goes to 100%, you can't type, the entire tab freezes, etc. It's a miserable experience to use and I'm on a relatively new MacBook not some old computer. If you read around it's a very common problem people have been having for a while now.

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Also wild that from the tech bro perspective, the cost of journalism is just how much data transfer costs for the finished article. Authors spend their blood, sweat and tears writing and then OpenAI comes to Hoover it up without a care in the world about license, copyright or what constitutes fair use. But don’t you dare scrape their slop.

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The library's archive is not a service provided by the newspaper

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Many cloud products now continuously send themselves the input you type while you are typing it, to squeeze the maximum possible amount of data from your interactions. I don’t know whether ChatGPT is one of those products, but if it is, that behavior might be a side effect of blocking the input pipeline until verification completes. It might be that they want to get every single one of your keystrokes, but only after…

I wondered if ChatGPT streams my message to the GPU while I type it, because the response comes weirdly fast after I submit th message. But I don't know much about how this stuff works.

Likely prefix caching among many other things

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Quite sure even literal thieves would consider thievery a form of abuse.

Yeah, they know it's bad, they just don't think the rules apply to them.

Small mitigation (by no way absolving them): isolated developers, different teams. Another way: they see "stealing" of their compute directly in their devop tools every day, but are several abstractions away from doing the same thing to other people.

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Lets not try to qualify the wrongs by picking a metric and evaluating just one side of it. A static website owner could be running with a very small budget and the scraping from bots can bring down their business too. The chances of a static website owner burning through their own life savings are probably higher.

If you're truly running a static site, you can run it for free, no matter how much traffic you're getting. Github pages is one way, but there are other platforms offering similar services. Static content just isn't that expensive to host. THe troubles start when you're actually running something dynamic that pretends to be static, like Wordpress or Mediawiki. You can still reduce costs significantly with CDNs / cachi…

It's true it can be done but many business owners are not hip to cloudflare r2 buckets or github pages. Many are still paying for a whole dedicated server to run apache (and wordpress!) to serve static files. These sites will go down when hammered by unscrupulous bots.
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