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ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by mike_hearn »

bloomca wrote: post #233
groundzeros2015 wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is how every scrolling list has been implemented since the 80s. We actually lost knowledge about how to build UI in the move to web

The biggest issue is that there is no native component support for that. So everyone implements their own and it is both brittle and introduces some issues like: - "ctrl + f" search stops working as expected - the scrollbar has wrong dimensions - sometimes the content might jump (common web issue overall) The reason why we lost it is because web supports wildly different types of layouts, so it is really hard to opti…

Desktop GUI toolkits aren't less flexible on layout, they're often more flexible.

We lost it because the web was never designed for applications and the support it gives you for building GUIs is extremely basic beyond styling, verging on more primitive than Windows 3.1 - there are virtually no widgets, and the widgets that do exist have almost no features. So everyone rolls their own and it's really hard to do that well. In fact that's one of the big reasons everyone wrote apps for Windows back in the day despite the lockin, the value of the built-in widget toolkit was just that high. It's why web apps so often feel flaky and half baked compared to how desktop apps tend(ed) to feel - the widgets just don't get the investment that a shared GUI platform allows.

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by owebmaster »

MyNameIsNickT wrote: post #49

Hey! I'm Nick, and I work on Integrity at OpenAI. These checks are part of how we protect our first-party products from abuse like bots, scraping, fraud, and other attempts to misuse the platform. A big reason we invest in this is because we want to keep free and logged-out access available for more users. My team’s goal is to help make sure the limited GPU resources are going to real users. We also keep a very close…

The reason why you did it is clear, why you guys settle down for such a poor implementation is why this thread exists

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by conartist6 »

MyNameIsNickT wrote: post #49

Hey! I'm Nick, and I work on Integrity at OpenAI. These checks are part of how we protect our first-party products from abuse like bots, scraping, fraud, and other attempts to misuse the platform. A big reason we invest in this is because we want to keep free and logged-out access available for more users. My team’s goal is to help make sure the limited GPU resources are going to real users. We also keep a very close…

Still feels very anti-consumer.

If every company behaved like you do, the internet would be a much worse place.

In fact, OpenAI has already made the Internet a much worse place, already much, much less open and much less optimistic about its own future than it was even five years ago...

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by mikkupikku »

eloisius wrote: post #356
PunchyHamster wrote: post #256

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> Scraping static content from a website at near-zero marginal cost to its server, vs scraping an expensive LLM service provided for free, are different things. I bet people being fucking DDOSed by AI bots disagree Also the fucking ignorance assuming it's "static content" and not something needing code running

Also wild that from the tech bro perspective, the cost of journalism is just how much data transfer costs for the finished article. Authors spend their blood, sweat and tears writing and then OpenAI comes to Hoover it up without a care in the world about license, copyright or what constitutes fair use. But don’t you dare scrape their slop.

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Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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raincole wrote: post #440
Chance-Device wrote: post #430

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where did I say “every article”? This is AI slop that’s set up like it’s some investigative expose of something scandalous and then shows us nothing interesting. A competent human writer would have reframed the whole thing or just not published it.

Do you think 1. Every person is born with the knowledge of how ChatGPT uses Cloudflare Turnstile? 2. This article contains factual mistakes? If so, what are they? If neither of these is true, then this article strictly provides information and educational value for some readers. The writing style, AI-like or not, doesn't change that.

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Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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MyNameIsNickT wrote: post #49

Hey! I'm Nick, and I work on Integrity at OpenAI. These checks are part of how we protect our first-party products from abuse like bots, scraping, fraud, and other attempts to misuse the platform. A big reason we invest in this is because we want to keep free and logged-out access available for more users. My team’s goal is to help make sure the limited GPU resources are going to real users. We also keep a very close…

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Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by Chance-Device »

raincole wrote: post #440
Chance-Device wrote: post #430

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where did I say “every article”? This is AI slop that’s set up like it’s some investigative expose of something scandalous and then shows us nothing interesting. A competent human writer would have reframed the whole thing or just not published it.

Do you think 1. Every person is born with the knowledge of how ChatGPT uses Cloudflare Turnstile? 2. This article contains factual mistakes? If so, what are they? If neither of these is true, then this article strictly provides information and educational value for some readers. The writing style, AI-like or not, doesn't change that.

Do you think I have some obligation to agree with you or something? You love the article, nice, good for you. I think it’s crap.

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by aucisson_masque »

MyNameIsNickT wrote: post #49

Hey! I'm Nick, and I work on Integrity at OpenAI. These checks are part of how we protect our first-party products from abuse like bots, scraping, fraud, and other attempts to misuse the platform. A big reason we invest in this is because we want to keep free and logged-out access available for more users. My team’s goal is to help make sure the limited GPU resources are going to real users. We also keep a very close…

Why send the Turnstile bytecode encrypted ? Surely people savvy enough to abuse the system will find out how to decrypt it, see OP, and it gives the impression that you are trying to hide stuffs you're not proud about.
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