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Motorists have been stranded on a major interstate in Virginia since last night

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Re: Motorists have been stranded on a major interstate in Virginia since last night

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14 inches of snow at Fredricksburg, VA. All at once. The annual average is 13 inches. This seems to be an unexpected consequence of climate change. Slower moving storms, with huge amounts of rain or snow in a short period.

I'm firmly on the side of science with regards to climate change, and I don't think this type of commentary helps convince anyone. When there's a heatwave, it's climate change. A cold snap, also climate change. Tornado? Climate change. We would rightly ridicule a climate change denier if they equated weather events with climate, we shouldn't do it either.

Burn the witch! Welcome to science.

Re: Motorists have been stranded on a major interstate in Virginia since last night

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New York and Massachusetts are different, but usually the only thing that truly overwhelms them is lake effect snow in Western NY and some nor’easter events. I grew up in the NY metropolitan area, and things like flash floods ancient parkways in the Bronx were the only total disaster like this. The key thing is that they have equipment and close roads to trucks. VA express lanes gouge drivers avoiding traffic, there…

I lived in Rochester. At least when I was up there, there may have been a hundred inches of snow in the year, but there was rarely fresh ice. This storm delivered a sheet of ice with snow on top, and because of the earlier rain, you couldn’t pre-treat the roads. How does the northeast deal with those conditions, other than people being smart enough to stay home? How do plows remove ice when the roads can’t be pretrea…

I currently live in Rochester and we recently just had a bit of a wintry mix the other day. Towns have their trucks going basically through the storm as it happens and they are able to prioritize emergency routes for both plowing and salt pretty well.Plus many folks up here are used to driving in these conditions and have the tires and or vehicles for it.

More plows in my opinion would definitely have helped as long as they were dispersing treated road salt. During snow storms, traffic on our interstates do not grind to a halt because there is a constant rotation of plows for every lane doing the best that they can to keep the priority routes clear.

Re: Motorists have been stranded on a major interstate in Virginia since last night

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Interesting to consider that the oil industry may have made a mistake by reframing “global warming” as “climate change”. Harder for people to see events like this as part of “global warning” while it is more understandable as a consequence of “climate change”

>the oil industry [...] reframing “global warming” as “climate change”. source? The wikipedia section on it is surprisingly scant on this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change#Terminology , and a search for "global warming climate change" on google doesn't reveal much either.

The man you're replying to is so prolific that if there isn't a citation (and there are) then his comment would become the citation.

Re: Motorists have been stranded on a major interstate in Virginia since last night

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Lots of comments here about public transit or whatnot in the DC area. Virginia is about the same size as maybe Hungary or Czech Republic and about 60% bigger than Ireland. The area being discussed here is not in the DC area but about 50 miles/80km south of there between D.C. and the State capital Richmond. The nearest area to this disaster is Fredericksburg which is a small historic town and an exurb from D.C. around…

And this stretch of road is prone to massive traffic jams even on good days.

Re: Motorists have been stranded on a major interstate in Virginia since last night

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>Rough metric is you get 1 hour of engine idle per gallon. Some cars do better than that. I have a non-plug in hybrid, that gets almost 50 mpg consistently; I've got to experiment and extrapolate to see if it's much better. I would like to believe so. I recently learned of the existence of: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline_heater and wonder how efficient they are. These seem to be mostly outdated, but I guess t…

It's gonna be. My normal non / hybrid Honda uses about 1/3 gallon per hour.

A Honda Civic with a D17A1 engine, at idle, with all accessories off, at 700-720RPM, reports 0.6-0.7L/h, or 0.17-0.19 Gal/h over OBD-II. Vent Fan to Full and Mixer to Hot without A/C reports 0.9-1.0L/h, or 0.24-0.26 Gal/h.

Re: Motorists have been stranded on a major interstate in Virginia since last night

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Arlington VA is a county, not a city, and has the land area and tax base of a county. Indeed Arlington is perhaps the most successful build out of mass transit in a community in the United States in the last 30 years. https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/08/arlingt... Also the DC metro system is in fact organized across state lines and receives generous federal subsidies....DC Metro spends $4.7 billion a…

> The primary issue this week is that this section of Virginia rarely sees snowstorms of this magnitude and further most DC residents have no idea how to drive in it (or know when to stay home). That's not really it. We get snowstorms of this size once every 2 or 3 years, sometimes more. The problem is that somehow they didn't keep up with plowing and salting on that stretch of I-95, and that led to back-ups, and onc…

> Notice that the major traffic jam was on I-95 South outside of the beltway, it wasn't on the outer loop, inside DC, or in Maryland even though the storm blanketed the area.

This is a good point and I think people are concluding too much from a single stretch of highway. Generally the chaos is more widespread, like in the original Carmageddon [0] and all if its sequels where I'd drive past abandoned cars the next day wherever I went.

It just seems like VDOT or whoever's contracted to take care of 95 screwed up. There's sand on the roads nearby me, and it rained before snowing here, too. Maybe it being 60 degrees the day before didn't help.

[0] https://wtop.com/weather-news/2015/01/history-disastrous-sno...

Re: Motorists have been stranded on a major interstate in Virginia since last night

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I grew up in Northern VA. Public transit here is a solution looking for a problem. The job centers and commercial are too spread out for public transit to make any sense. Most of the population and jobs in the DC metro area aren’t in DC but spread around in Tysons, Loudoun, Reston, Arlington, Bethesda, etc. The state spent billions building the Silver line out to Tysons, Reston, and Loudoun, and ridership was disappo…

It doesn't exactly help that tall office buildings are not allowed in DC. It's hard to have a "hub" when it's illegal to build a hub. >You want to know what the future of America looks like? Go to the Dallas suburbs. Can I point out the irony that you're posting this in a thread about a natural disaster exacerbated by suburban development patterns, and your example of Dallas suffered a similar disaster less than a ye…

Also, Dallas is the anti-thesis of good urban design. The I-35 corridor in the area and the surrounding metroplex is a damn nightmare, and only getting worse.

Re: Motorists have been stranded on a major interstate in Virginia since last night

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> Additional highways are at-best a stop-gap for day-to-day traffic, never a solution, due to induced demand This continues to be wrong every time someone brings it up. If you have insufficient road capacity, you have congestion, and congestion suppresses demand. If you increase capacity, some of the congestion goes away, and then some of the demand comes back. What this looks like is that you currently have enough c…

You're missing half the story; "demand" only makes sense with reference to a price. At the moment, that price is zero, but it needn't be. As we all know, market prices are an efficient mechanism to allocate scarce resources. People have a curious blindspot about this when it comes to roads.

> As we all know, market prices are an efficient mechanism to allocate scarce resources. People have a curious blindspot about this when it comes to roads.

It's not a blind spot. It's a characteristic of services with a high fixed cost and trivial variable cost.

To ask if we should price roads is to ask if the price needed to deter usage enough to relieve congestion without expanding the road would generate less revenue than it would take to expand the road. But this is basically never the case because most of the expansion cost is one-time (e.g. buying the land) whereas the congestion charge would have to be collected forever to continue deterring usage.

The strongest case for not expanding the road is if there is a more efficient way to relieve congestion, e.g. by relaxing zoning restrictions to allow higher density housing and reduce travel distances.

But if people value using the road at more than the cost of expanding it, and there are no higher efficiency alternatives, that implies the road should be expanded. And once it has been and there is no congestion even at zero unit price, there is no benefit in charging a unit price to deter congestion that isn't there anyway, and a detriment in deterring use of a public resource for which the same fixed cost has to be paid whether you use it or not.

Charging road tolls is also especially inefficient because the collections process has a high administrative overhead and a high privacy cost. Every dollar spent collecting tolls -- toll tags, gantries, billing, maintenance, customer service -- is a deadweight economic loss not incurred by any alternative that doesn't require them. The privacy cost is the same.

Re: Motorists have been stranded on a major interstate in Virginia since last night

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> does the establishment of washington dc as an unrepresented area make sense today in 2022? Many things in the US political system don't make sense in 2022, especially from an European point of view - mining and water rights, inequality of rural and urban votes because of unproportional representation in the Senate, Presidential votes in "stronghold" states being effectively wasted thanks to the Electoral College, t…

> it was not anticipated that civilians would be able to own weapons of war) That was in fact the entire point ( https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/246 ). > (a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the Unite…

Australia is definitely NOT doing fine; our populist demagogues have us by the balls possibly even more so than the US. Ours just make slightly less noise about it.

Re: Motorists have been stranded on a major interstate in Virginia since last night

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Well the parent proposed something perfectly reasonable: retrocession back into Maryland. This would wholly resolve their lack of Congressional representation and Maryland would gain a House seat, or maybe two if they were already on the threshold for another.

DC can’t force MD to take them back, and neither can the federal govt. And MD doesn’t want them. Reasonable or not, it’s a no-go.

DC also can’t force us or the other States to accept it in as a State. So, who blinks first? From where I sit, retrocession is already a massive compromise where Maryland gets its land back, 1 to 2 House seats and a bigger tax base; and the residents of DC get the right to vote for not just Congressional representation but also for a State government.
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