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Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by grey-area » Wed, Sep 16, 2026, 5:22 PM UTC

lenkite wrote: post #507

grey-area wrote: post #279

Russia is at war with Europe. Europe is not yet at war with Russia but it will be in time.

Europe is already in a warm-war with Russia. EU has sent hundreds of thousands of drones used to attack Russia - along with training, intelligence and target guidance. EU airspace is used openly by Ukraine to attack Russia. IMHO, war should be openly declared with clear objectives. That way the Russian €200 billion can be openly seized without all the whining.

I don’t think so, it is at best a proxy war on the Europe side at present. They are supporting Ukraine.

On the Russian side however they are carrying out brazen attacks in EU member states and crossing air and maritime boundaries.

Whether the EU should respond in kind is a whole other question.

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by preisschild » Wed, Sep 16, 2026, 6:37 PM UTC

pphysch wrote: post #504

preisschild wrote: post #478

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Nord Stream was definitely not an accident and we know who did that Lol who claimed it was an "accident"? Most likely it was disgruntled Ukrainians with just enough resources and skill. And they did great work. Anne Applebaum is a historian not a "propagandist" lol

"Propagandist" is not a palatable job title, so propagandists often masquerade under different words. For example, the US government's official foreign propaganda agency is called "US Agency for Global Media". If Anne "it's okay to kill journalists in wartime" Applebaum is not a prominent Western propagandist, then who is?

Why do you use doublequotes as if you were quoting her? She never said that.

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by 1234letshaveatw » Wed, Sep 16, 2026, 7:04 PM UTC

walrus01 wrote: post #36

And on the same day that a (very likely Russian) UAV had to be shot down in Lithuanian air space. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjx2zgk7edlzo

It also rained where I live

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by Paradigma11 » Wed, Sep 16, 2026, 7:21 PM UTC

somenameforme wrote: post #503

Paradigma11 wrote: post #454

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This has been extremely well documented. They are just paying some losers a few hundred euros to throw a molotow cocktail somewhere, that's it. As for the Germans, you know that they investigated the NS incident and are prosecuting the Ukrainian perpetrators. Now when the perpetrators are Russian, everything is fake of course.

Russia blowing up its own pipeline was also 'extremely well documented.' One of the many reasons that propaganda is self defeating is because when done effectively, as it has been with Ukraine, the people doing it eventually begin to be unable to tell what people really think due to self censorship and other issues. Have you really convinced everybody, or just made them smile and nod? Germany is now finding out the a…

No, Russia being behind NS was never extremely well documented. There was lots of speculation and the German police did investigate and came to the conclusion that it had been the Ukrainians. Now the German police did investigate and came to the conclusion that it was the Russians. That's it.

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by junon » Wed, Sep 16, 2026, 7:32 PM UTC

retinaros wrote: post #509

junon wrote: post #124

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Do you live in Germany?

do u live in russia?

No, Germany.

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by pphysch » Wed, Sep 16, 2026, 7:44 PM UTC

preisschild wrote: post #512

pphysch wrote: post #504

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Propagandist" is not a palatable job title, so propagandists often masquerade under different words. For example, the US government's official foreign propaganda agency is called "US Agency for Global Media". If Anne "it's okay to kill journalists in wartime" Applebaum is not a prominent Western propagandist, then who is?

Why do you use doublequotes as if you were quoting her? She never said that.

It's called a nickname, and it's in reference to her infamous article defending the murder of actual journalists (which she is not).

Can you answer my question?

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by nullorempty » Wed, Sep 16, 2026, 9:05 PM UTC

distances wrote: post #450

nullorempty wrote: post #417

A lot of the commenters blame Russia, and ... have you looked at the map? Netherlands is one of the countries that are furthest away from Russia! And then, there are countries that take much more active stance against Russia - Germany for example. Should Russia send a message it will probably be to the countries that stir shit.

There are over 200 acts of sabotage in Europe linked/suspected to Russia. There's plenty to go around for everyone, and somehow people are still hesitant to say we're in active hybrid war.

I'd be curious to know where I could verify these numbers.

Also, financing ukraine and supplying it with weapons does mean europe is at war with russia yet again!

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by LtWorf » Wed, Sep 16, 2026, 9:59 PM UTC

yakshaving_jgt wrote: post #497

LtWorf wrote: post #487

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So we should attack russia, cause WW3 because you are paranoid that they might do that first?

We should forcibly remove russian occupying forces from Ukraine. That would be enforcing international law, not pushing for war.

Are we also going to invade USA to make them stop attacking iran, venezuela and so on?

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by yakshaving_jgt » Wed, Sep 16, 2026, 10:20 PM UTC

LtWorf wrote: post #518

yakshaving_jgt wrote: post #497

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We should forcibly remove russian occupying forces from Ukraine. That would be enforcing international law, not pushing for war.

Are we also going to invade USA to make them stop attacking iran, venezuela and so on?

That would probably need to come from domestic public pressure.

Different countries work differently. What would work for russia would not necessarily work for the USA.

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Post by distances » Thu, Sep 17, 2026, 6:37 AM UTC

nullorempty wrote: post #517

distances wrote: post #450

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are over 200 acts of sabotage in Europe linked/suspected to Russia. There's plenty to go around for everyone, and somehow people are still hesitant to say we're in active hybrid war.

I'd be curious to know where I could verify these numbers. Also, financing ukraine and supplying it with weapons does mean europe is at war with russia yet again!

Source is RUSI: https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/comme...

> over 200 incidents of suspected Russian hybrid warfare in Europe between 2014 and 2024 [..] Most incidents (86%) have taken place since early 2022

I hope you're aware of how you're framing this as European choice of entering the war, instead of placing the fault on Russia. Straight from the Russian playbook of always blaming others.