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Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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The price is far too small. Active propaganda on behalf of a rogue state is an act of war and should be treated as such, IMO.

Do you know Russia? Did you consider the last 40 years of history re NATO-enlargement?

Did nato enlargement caused war in Moldova, war in Georgia, war in Ichkeriya, support for serbian war criminals in ex-Yugoslavia, war in Georgia again, war in Syria, war in Ukraine? I wonder which of these countries are in nato

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\One thing that logic would dictate though is that Russia would be extremely low on the list of suspects since they gain nothing and are negatively affected in every manner possible by being in any way behind such actions. They are known for actions that negatively affect them and everyone around. That's kinda their whole thing.

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Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Just days after a similar (criminal) incident causing a train to derail in France: https://www.lemonde.fr/en/france/article/2026/09/12/french-p... "close to Renault's factory in the town of Cléon", which is now preparing to start manufacturing drones for the French military, in collaboration with Ukrainian military-industrial groups.

> Just days after a similar (criminal) incident causing a train to derail in France From what I read, the similarity ends in “both involved trains”. This chain of attacks seems to have used short metal pipes (“Footage published by Dutch public broadcaster NOS on Tuesday showed police carrying what appeared to be metal pipes - about 1.5 metres (5ft) long”) to short a connection, making safety systems signal “there’s a…

Those aren't the first trains that had problems in Europe recently. Spain has been plagued with thousands of Train delays, cable stolen before a holiday, sabotages and rocks in the railway are also very popular. Russians are obsessed with trains, and the Kremlin even tried to buy the main Spanish train maker disguised as Hungarians, before to be blocked by the Spanish government.

About rogue farmers protest in France... well, exactly the same problem. They are always agitated by far right agents in special moments, and when people scratch a little, this people always are seen taking selfies and money from people associated with Putin. Farmers still didn't understood that are being used every single time, often again their own interests. See the Yellow Jackets movement for example.

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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Could be also rogue farmers paid by Russia. Easiest way for Russia to cause havoc in Europe is through exploiting existing political issues.

The easiest way to hide the incompetence of local european politics, be it expensive diesel or the upcoming economic prices is to blame it all on russia. Volkswagen is laying off 100k of workers, because they can't make cars people can afford anymore... blame russia! Germans fed up with merz and vote afd? Russia! Macron doesn't even have 20% of support in polls anymore? Russia! Stub your pinky on the corner of the be…

Old German politicians had many opportunities to say something about the genocide. They decided to support Israel instead and (maybe) this choice played some part in their demise. They miscalculated how angry was the people and basically fired themselves. Should know better after seeing the Democrats fall in the same trap.

When you are surrounded only by people that says "I don't care" every single time, you may forget that those aren't the people that you have to convince that "you care".

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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A lot of the commenters blame Russia, and ... have you looked at the map?

Netherlands is one of the countries that are furthest away from Russia!

And then, there are countries that take much more active stance against Russia - Germany for example. Should Russia send a message it will probably be to the countries that stir shit.

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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The price is far too small. Active propaganda on behalf of a rogue state is an act of war and should be treated as such, IMO.

Do you know Russia? Did you consider the last 40 years of history re NATO-enlargement?

Yes, I know Russia. I got to know it even better lately: It's waging war on my continent right now, and murdering my fellow Europeans and their families. I've seen its bombs fall on schools, malls, churches and libraries. I've seen videos of its conscripts having fun, bragging about stealing, raping and murdering civilians.

If you're on the side of history that North Korea supports, you're on the wrong side of it.

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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The harm is in the cost. Not the actual danger. Or are they going to pay for the damages caused due to lost productivity?

Protests are much less effective if they can just be ignored. At the very least "lost productivity" is a very abstract harm and not something that endangers human lives directly.

That does depend on the productivity being lost. No doubt many of the people who were unable to commute that day would have been doctors and nurses.

I think it would be of a stretch to actually claim that this specific incident caused loss of life, but it’s possible to see how such wide sabotage, especially conducted over a number of days, could result in compromised emergency services and result in loss of life.

Protests also tend to be more effective if the protesters involved actually make some clear demands about what they want. Simply breaking shit isn’t much of a protest.

Re: Suspected sabotage causes major Netherlands rail disruption

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France does some version or style of derailing Russian trains, you say?

France provides Ukraine with targeting information that allows Ukraine to strike deep inside Russia, including industrial targets. So France is directly contributing to attacks against non-military target in Russia, yes. Source: https://www.kyivpost.com/post/81382

Hm, if Russia were to seriously deploy that logic to justify sabotage in European countries (insofar as a kleptocratic dictatorship is ever serious or logical), it could backfire a bit:

1. If France is a sabotage-justified enemy, then so is the US, which provides some intelligence to Ukraine.

2. In the other direction, Russia has been giving targeting information and weapons to Iran to attack the US forces. So if they're the enemy of the US, then certain members of the current Republican administration may have to tone down their "aid and comfort" for Russia lest it mean future treason charges.

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