Why doesn't OpenAI introduce $100/mo plan? Surely many would switch in a heartbeat
Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw
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Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw
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I feel like Anthropic is going down a bad path here with billing things this way. Especially as local LLM continues to develop so fast. I downgraded from my $200 a month plan to my $20 plan and hit limits constantly. I try to use the API access I purchased separately, and it doesn't work with Claude Code (something about the 1 million context requiring extra usage) so I have to use it Continue. Then I get instantly r…
This is how free drink refills, airplane tickets, Internet service, unlimited data plans, insurance, flat rate shipping, monthly transit passes, Netflix, Apple Music, gym memberships, museum memberships, car wash plans, amusement park passes, all you can eat buffets, news subscriptions, and many more work. Either you get a flat rate fee based on certain allowed usage patterns or everyone has to be billed à la carte.
à la carte is honest; overprovisioning just slows progress by preventing demand from creating pressure to innovate proper solutions.
Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw
#513My answer to this is simply rolling back to the pro plan for interactive usage in the coming month, and forcefully cutting myself over to one of the alternative Chinese models to just get over the hump and normalise API pricing at a sensible rate with sensible semantics. Dealing with Claude going into stupid mode 15 times a day, constant HTTP errors, etc. just isn't really worth it for all it does. I can't see myself…
> I think we all jumped on the AI mothership with our eyes closed and it's time to dial some nuance back into things. I’m kind of confused by these takes from HN readers. I could see LinkedIn bros getting reality checked when they finally discover that LLMs aren’t magic, but I’m confused about how a developer could go all-in on AI and not immediately realize the limitations of the output.
It has indeed been baffling. Ad I dig deeper into what developers are doing with AI, it's basically like what I did customizing and tweaking emacs when I was younger (and fine, I'll admit I still do it sometimes). They are having so much fun playing with these new tools that they aren't really noticing how little the new tools are actually helping them
Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw
#514Earlier quoted context omitted.
You aren't paying to be using that limit all of the time. You are paying to be using that limit some of the time. There are 5 hour windows when you are sleeping and can't use it. There are weekend limits. Theoretically you can max out every 5 hour window, but they lose money on that. It's structured so users can have bursts of unlimited usage, and spend ~15% of the theoretical max cap, and that's still cheaper than a…
I feel like Anthropic is going down a bad path here with billing things this way. Especially as local LLM continues to develop so fast. I downgraded from my $200 a month plan to my $20 plan and hit limits constantly. I try to use the API access I purchased separately, and it doesn't work with Claude Code (something about the 1 million context requiring extra usage) so I have to use it Continue. Then I get instantly r…
> I feel like Anthropic is going down a bad path here with billing things this way.
What do you expect them to do? You are looking at a business currently running at a loss, and complaining about their billing even though this is not a price-rise?
Unrelated, is it still possible to use $10k/m worth of tokens on their $200/plan?
Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw
#515Claude is a UNIX command line tool with an SDK. Yes there's an interactive mode, but it can be invoked as a normal utility too, and piped to other tools and so on. In that context, I don't understand the difference between a "third party harness" and a shell script. How are they even detecting OpenClaw?
I guess Anthropic will scrutinize big open source projects for that purpose. The direct official integrations will be removed.
Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw
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They sell metered usage while having the implied expectation that most wont use it fully. Power users and users of stuff like OpenClaw don't match that idea. So they further restricted the metered caps, which were only offered to NOT be reached by that many. Simple as that.
>Power users and users of stuff like OpenClaw don't match that idea. Then they should figure out how to structure an offering that accommodates this type of usage not just blanket ban it
> Then they should figure out how to structure an offering that accommodates this type of usage
They did, didn't they? You can pay the non-plan rate.
> not just blanket ban it
They didn't do that. The email specifically tells you how to use Openclaw with Anthropic. There is no "blanket ban".
Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw
#517Why doesn't OpenAI introduce $100/mo plan? Surely many would switch in a heartbeat
Maybe because they don't want to lose money even faster than Anthropic is?
Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw
#518Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why "should" they? There's no reason they would especially when their competitor now owns OpenClaw.
Because a big part of Anthropic's story is that they build based on how people actually use AI. Power users aren't just annoying edge cases, they're signal. Throttling them and calling it done is inconsistent with that.
> Power users aren't just annoying edge cases, they're signal.
You got that right; in this case they are signalling that AI token providers are not going to be able to run at a profit anytime soon.
Not sure if that helps or hurts your argument, though.
Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw
#519Just give me a subscription tier where I’m not being blocked out every afternoon. Im hitting rate limits within 1:45 during afternoons. I can’t justify extra usage since it’s a variable cost, but I can justify a higher subscription tier.
Maybe start actually working and PROGRAMMING instead of simply cheating and ruining the job market at the same time?
Usage of such tools should be forbidden in companies - its cheating and using code you didn't even wrote. thsts literally a crime