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Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by ropable »

xp84 wrote: post #388
beloch wrote: post #246

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Don't take the Canadian market for granted. There's a strong desire to forge closer links with the EU now and reduce dependence on products that could be weaponized against us at any time. Geographic proximity doesn't count for much when it comes to software.

> weaponized against us I take a more optimistic stance here. Trump can only live so long, and everybody except basically Trump and John Bolton knows that the majority of his idiotic tariffs (and nonsensical belligerence like pretending NATO control of Greenland doesn't meet all our defense needs) are wealth-destroying on net, as well as wealth-destroying for at least 10x the number of people than they help (many of…

Trump has done/is doing generational harm to the perception of the US worldwide, to say nothing of US soft-power influence. It's going to take decades to rebuild that trust after he's gone, and we still have a couple of years of his term to run yet.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by gtech1 »

hintymad wrote: post #195
softwaredoug wrote: post #113

Americans fail to appreciate a few things about our economy 1. We have a large homgoneous market where you can build a product and it’s expected it can succeed for hundreds of millions of Americans 2. EU is the easiest second market, and another step change of hundreds of millions of customers in a somewhat unified market 3. there’s not an easy 3rd economy that replaces EUs wealth, population, and comfort with Englis…

In a way, isn't it what the Americans and even the current administration want? We want a strong Europe who is keen on preserving and developing the glorious modern civilization that it created. We want a strong Europe who can build and innovate instead of regulating and fining. In contrast, we certainly don't want see the disastrous joke like Northvolt. We certainly don't want to see the joke that BASF shut down its…

What a joke of a comment. Trump and Musk and Vance explicitly support every anti-EU party in a half-dozen EU countries. Cuz they wanna make EU stronger, durrr.

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Post by coredev_ »

ecshafer wrote: post #479
schubidubiduba wrote: post #433

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Honestly so often I take my EU consumer and worker rights for granted, only to hear that they simply don't exist for 90+% of Americans. Amd then I wonder how they even live over there.

In large houses with lots of land, multiple cars and lots of money.

Yes. A few do, a lot don't.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by terminalshort »

shermantanktop wrote: post #483
Der_Einzige wrote: post #471

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Vance has zero of the charisma that Trump has for his voters. I can’t explain the charisma. I can’t even really describe it, but it’s real. Others have tried to replicate it with no luck.

Neither did Biden, and he won. Neither did Clinton and she didn't, but still got more votes than Trump. And the Republicans are leading on the issues: https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/poll-americans-trust-rep.... In an election between a boring Republican and a boring Democrat, the Republican probably wins.

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Post by womitt »

ropable wrote: post #511
xp84 wrote: post #388

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> weaponized against us I take a more optimistic stance here. Trump can only live so long, and everybody except basically Trump and John Bolton knows that the majority of his idiotic tariffs (and nonsensical belligerence like pretending NATO control of Greenland doesn't meet all our defense needs) are wealth-destroying on net, as well as wealth-destroying for at least 10x the number of people than they help (many of…

Trump has done/is doing generational harm to the perception of the US worldwide, to say nothing of US soft-power influence. It's going to take decades to rebuild that trust after he's gone, and we still have a couple of years of his term to run yet.

Rebuild? Never Failing empires rarely peak twice...

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by wdr1 »

softwaredoug wrote: post #113

Americans fail to appreciate a few things about our economy 1. We have a large homgoneous market where you can build a product and it’s expected it can succeed for hundreds of millions of Americans 2. EU is the easiest second market, and another step change of hundreds of millions of customers in a somewhat unified market 3. there’s not an easy 3rd economy that replaces EUs wealth, population, and comfort with Englis…

> 2. EU is the easiest second market, and another step change of hundreds of millions of customers in a somewhat unified market

What about China? India?

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Post by terminalshort »

shermantanktop wrote: post #484
xp84 wrote: post #458

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You don't have to convince every Trump voter. The margin who swung from Biden to Trump and elected Trump aren't all those things. They just don't want what the Dems were selling in 2024, specifically: the dems' adopted ideology surrounding gender, plus using race and gender to pick who gets jobs and into schools, rather than merit. If they removed just those two planks from the DNC platform, (1) Harris would have nev…

This is the logic of running to the middle. And yet moderate candidates do poorly these days. Worth noting who gives this advice and to whom.

Who was the moderate candidate? We had Trump and a candidate who wanted to continue the open borders policy and racial quota system in hiring and university admissions.

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Post by JCattheATM »

terminalshort wrote: post #517
shermantanktop wrote: post #484

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This is the logic of running to the middle. And yet moderate candidates do poorly these days. Worth noting who gives this advice and to whom.

Who was the moderate candidate? We had Trump and a candidate who wanted to continue the open borders policy and racial quota system in hiring and university admissions.

Moderate/smoderate. There was an insane choice, which people chose to vote to the detriment of most, and a sane candidate, which people rejected due to misinformation and bigotry.

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Post by terminalshort »

dleslie wrote: post #429
xp84 wrote: post #388

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> weaponized against us I take a more optimistic stance here. Trump can only live so long, and everybody except basically Trump and John Bolton knows that the majority of his idiotic tariffs (and nonsensical belligerence like pretending NATO control of Greenland doesn't meet all our defense needs) are wealth-destroying on net, as well as wealth-destroying for at least 10x the number of people than they help (many of…

I think every American needs to understand this quote: > "We will never fucking trust you again."[0] It doesn't matter that Trump will eventually no longer be President, and it doesn't matter that there are still members of the American political establishment that support the old way of doing things. Trump does not act alone, and there is rapid attrition of those older bureaucrats who valued the USA's allies. Trump'…

Germany elected Hitler and we pretty much trusted them again in less than 20 years.

Re: France Aiming to Replace Zoom, Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, etc.

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Post by coredev_ »

m00dy wrote: post #275
hintymad wrote: post #195

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In a way, isn't it what the Americans and even the current administration want? We want a strong Europe who is keen on preserving and developing the glorious modern civilization that it created. We want a strong Europe who can build and innovate instead of regulating and fining. In contrast, we certainly don't want see the disastrous joke like Northvolt. We certainly don't want to see the joke that BASF shut down its…

oh man, I agree with what you are saying but EU is a joke.!

Is it really though? We have strong labour laws, consumer laws, antitrust laws, personal information laws and so on because the majority of us want it. We understand that this do not maximize growth, and consider that worth it. In fact, the most of us sees the current US administration as a very big joke.
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