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Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by mxsjoberg »

eddtries wrote: post #244
Jochim wrote: post #230

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> Sweden might rank top for happiness and health but that's not going to make my bank numbers get higher for my annual two week holiday. The US seems to expect service workers to pretend to be happy in the hopes of receiving enough money to get by. Whereas the Nordics seem to take the approach of "let's make sure your service worker is happy" first and foremost. The Nordic model seems more stable and less stressful f…

I've lived and worked in the UK, the Bay Area, and Stockholm. Sweden does not pay as well but the employee/union perks & lifestyle is night and day compared to the other two. I definitely miss Bay Area salaries but I'm getting more holiday, I get paid extra for going on holiday, I get a years paternity leave & IVF bonuses, I get free healthcare (and most employers offer free private healthcare), I get a company car f…

Yet everything you use is made elsewhere.

Nordic model is such a great success.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by mxsjoberg »

othorns wrote: post #320
mxsjoberg wrote: post #175

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> Maybe Tesla is the problem here. No, this is an issue for other smaller companies too (with less media coverage) > Maybe the rest of the world needs to catch up to the societal norms of Sweden when it comes to worker's rights. I hope not. I kind of want a flying car ASAP. Not never.

Sweden is consistently ranking very highly for innovation...

Ranking high? You don't need to rank high, you need to actually do stuff.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #455
actionfromafar wrote: post #353

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What is it then?

Simply denying service. If Starbucks workers go to work all day and serve every customer but Bob, that's not a strike or walkout. Those terms have real definitions. That doesn't mean it isn't a union activity.

Seems like if the reason for it is within the law regulating worker action, it is, in fact, union activity, and is, in fact, a strike against Bob, according to some Nordic countries.

Is your sole problem with the fact that people are calling something a strike, and you personally don't think they should, according to your possibly single-country-centric view of the term, or is there a substantive objection?

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by VoxPelli »

yreg wrote: post #434
beirut_bootleg wrote: post #199

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By living and working in the U.S.. Most commenters here are wrongly assuming workers in Sweden have as little rights as they do, and probably just as exploited as well.

Well, you are the one wrongly assuming. I am from Slovakia, and we have strong labour laws and strikes all the time. The thing is that government services must be provided to everyone or (if enough people are on strike) not at all.

The Swedish model makes it so that we rarely have large strikes, despite having strong unions, as typically companies work together with the unions rather than against the unions.

In a way the Swedish model has found an equilibrium between company powers and workers right that has been very productive.

Until an ignorant American enters the market and think he knows better than everyone else

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Post by VoxPelli »

dragonwriter wrote: post #137
tshaddox wrote: post #122

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It’s a strike. How could the workers be prohibited from deciding whether to strike?

Prohibited is easy. Just pass a law making it illegal for workers in that agency to strike, or to advocate, promote, discuss, etc., potential strikes (that may conflict with existing law, be politically difficult, etc., but the mechanism is clear.) Prevented, though, is harder. Prohibitions aren't always effective prevention.

There are no agency workers who are participating in any strikes? Unlike the US we have a privatized postal service and the old postal service is now merged with the danish postal service and co-owned between the Swedish and Danish states and competing on an open market with other postal services.

Not everyone has state postal services like in the US

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Post by VoxPelli »

AlgorithmicTime wrote: post #254
tshaddox wrote: post #122

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It’s a strike. How could the workers be prohibited from deciding whether to strike?

A strike is between a company and its workers, or maybe an industry and its workers. Postal employees, the fire department, transit employees, they don't work for Tesla.

_Sympathy strikes_ only make sense when directed towards the target of the original strike.

If all sympathy strikes were to be total walkouts then it would result in a general strike and that doesn’t target any specific party and thus doesn’t put pressure on them

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by VoxPelli »

riversflow wrote: post #111
dragontamer wrote: post #73

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UPS and FedEx are mail delivery companies that are completely unrelated to US Government. I dunno much about Europe but if it's a private company, then rules and services are obviously different.

UPS and FedEx also arent allowed to touch your mailbox, and don't have their own law enforcement wing.

Swedish postal service is open to any private actor and does not have any law enforcement wing.

Lots of companies have access to the mail boxes. I know of at least three companies that deliver to my mailbox + one that delivers marketing materials to it.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by VoxPelli »

othorns wrote: post #285
1970-01-01 wrote: post #183

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The sad truth is there is plenty of room for Musk to make things much worse. I imagine he can deny them SpaceX payloads. Starlink was just made available to them as well. He could throttle or deny their uplinks and downlinks.

Starlink is such a niche product in Sweden, it would be such a pointless move that would go by totally without notice. The vast majority of Sweden is covered by 4G and 90% 5G coverage is excpeted within a year. Broadband via fiber is ubiquitous and a lot cheaper than the USA (at least in the comparisons I've seen). Can't speak about spacex not sure if any Swedish companies do business with them.

Sweden has to double down on Esrange I guess

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Post by VoxPelli »

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #83
brightball wrote: post #59

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At this point, I honestly just hope the standoff continues because I want to see how many moves each side has. This is really interesting to watch as somebody who isn't affected by it directly. Government workers deciding not to provide services to specific entities or people they are in dispute with is a bridge that I can only assume should have some pretty serious consequences.

They're almost all private workers exercising their right of association (or lack thereof) with a person who they believe is mistreating or trying to mistreat workers. If a "customer" walks into a store and starts mistreating workers, it's totally reasonable for them to tell the customer to buzz off, and for their employer to support them. What kind of terrible boss or society would force workers to service their abu…

It’s fun to see Americans upset over private workers exercising their rights and the fact that Swedish postal service is a private business, must hurt to realize that the Nordics in many ways has less government overhead than the US :D

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Post by VoxPelli »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #103
eckesicle wrote: post #25

> Postal workers even decided not to deliver mail to the electric automaker, including license plates – an action that Musk called "insane". The local court has since put a stop to that action. This is no longer true. A higher court overturned that decision and the license plates are again blocked from reaching Tesla.

Allowing the government owned post office to pick and choose who gets mail just seems like a step too far. But even then the court wasn't forcing them to deliver mail, just allowing that mail to be picked up. And now that's blocked? I just don't understand how one entity can have this much power, in this case they essentially are the government they could demand whatever the hell they wanted. Your choice is to leave…

PostNord is a private company owned by the Swedish and Danish government and who has won a tender with the Swedish transport authority to carry out the deliveries for them.

Private workers for a private company exercising their union protected rights.

I thought Americans loved private companies? But apparently not when it’s a postal service and it affects a treasure like Tesla?

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