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Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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> They're obsolete. That is simply false. The biggest mice and keyboard manufacturers still ship with USB-A cables. Even Apple itself ships its mice and keyboards with USB-A cables.

Apple doesn’t sell any wired mice or keyboards AFAICT.

But the cable they provide to charge those is USB-A not USB-C.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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> They're obsolete. That is simply false. The biggest mice and keyboard manufacturers still ship with USB-A cables. Even Apple itself ships its mice and keyboards with USB-A cables.

Obsolete was an exaggeration. "In sunset", perhaps? PS/2 mice and keyboards shipped for many years after USB. I expect USB-A will be around for a long time even though most of us will have moved on to USB-C.

The vast majority of USB accessories are still USB-A. Big manufacturers still use USB-A for everything. For example Logitech still has no USB-C mice or keyboard AFAIK.

The truth is that USB-C has seen a very slow adoption outside the mobile world.

If USB-C adoption surpasses USB-A in a couple more years it will make sense to call it "in sunset", but IMO that doesn't make much sense today.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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The wireless keyboards and touchpads have a Lightning-to-USB-A cord, which can be plugged into the computer directly. Primarily for charging, but if you charge off the computer it'll use the wire instead of Bluetooth for typing.

Do you know of any PC keyboards/mice that do this? I want to be able to do things in the BIOS so having a Bluetooth keyboard that charges and is functional over a mini USB adaptor would be really useful. Same with a mouse, Bluetooth is not always great but a mouse that did both wired and wireless would be neat. Even if this is only used once every six months when something goes wrong it would be nice to have. I prefe…

I don't know about keyboards, but my wireless Logitech mice that charge over USB can be used plugged while charging.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Caps lock is where God wanted Control to be.

It can be both. I know people who have it configured to be escape when it's pressed and released, but control when it's held down in combination with another key.

How do you do that? I normally use the keyboard preferences to change the capslock on my MBP to control. I'd like escape there too, but I'd like to avoid running additional software to enable it.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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You could buy a 2015 MacBook Pro and upgrade to rock solid keyboard, sane-sized trackpad, MagSafe, hdmi, USB ports and an SD card port. It’s not thin enough to slice salami but I am a vegetarian so that’s not a big deal.

I did exactly this a year ago but one caveat to note is that if you're using an external monitor, the video card in this one doesn't support a good resolution. I'm stuck with 1080p.

1080p is not fine enough? How much information are you used to having on screen at a time? How much text, for example?

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Am I the only person who likes the butterfly keyboard? I like the feel of the low travel and the clickiness, whenever I use an old style MacBook the keys feel mushy. I have had reliability problems though. Mostly I’ve had keys that don’t respond, but have always been able to fix those with compressed air. But once I had a sticky key that popped every other time I pressed it, that required a free Apple repair.

You’re not alone. I really love the butterfly keyboards and I really hope we are not forced to regress back to the old keyboards.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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If Apple gets rid of the TouchBar + fixes the keyboard that'd eliminate 90% of the complaints against Macbook Pros.

The Touchbar is a source of many complaints? Or just a small slice of people who complain loudly? Anecdotally, I have many relatives with touchbar MacBook Pros and they haven’t complained about it. Is it possible that many people actually like the touchbar but they don’t spend their time on specialized forums singing its praises? It just seems like the assumption that people hate the touchbar is selection bias. Aside…

Would those people that like the TB actually prefer paying (hypothetically) $200 less for their MBPs without it?

To me it adds zero value so whatever it adds to the cost of the product is an extra I don't want to pay.

I think if Apple had given the option to get their MBPs without the TB I doubt very few people would have bought it.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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I did exactly this a year ago but one caveat to note is that if you're using an external monitor, the video card in this one doesn't support a good resolution. I'm stuck with 1080p.

1080p is not fine enough? How much information are you used to having on screen at a time? How much text, for example?

I have a 4K display. Mac OS scales things to look nice. 1080p looks like garbage in comparison.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Although I agree with you I wonder if it’s just an artifact of how we were trained to type. When I see kids type on glass they don’t seem to require this tactile feedback. In 5-10 years, basically when today’s 10 year olds are of working age, I wonder what we will see. But I do understand we need good keyboards today. Here is a small study that looked at it in kids: http://www.bradycline.com/2013/03/ipad-typing/

I like the flat style of Apple scissor keyboards, but I won’t discount what could be done with a touch surface “keyboard”. Why worry about emulating the feel of a mechanical keyboard? I love swipe keyboards on phones; removing physical keys makes that frictionless on computer keyboards. (Though predictive text may not be as fun for terminal flags.) And there are probably other gains to be made if you can unlearn what…

For that matter, why emulate a mechanical keyboard at all? If we unlearn the whole ”static” key concepts maybe there is even more to gain. Probably too late for me though. ;)

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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I did exactly this a year ago but one caveat to note is that if you're using an external monitor, the video card in this one doesn't support a good resolution. I'm stuck with 1080p.

1080p is not fine enough? How much information are you used to having on screen at a time? How much text, for example?

It's not about real estate, but rather about sharpness. At 3820x2160 ("4K") you can double every pixel, when compared to 1080p. That means that text at the exact same "size" is twice as sharp, producing less visual strain and improving readability (especially for fonts with complex strokes)

The difference is absolutely striking: I will never go back to a non "retina" display if given the choice.

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