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Time to end the war against saturated fat?

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Re: Time to end the war against saturated fat?

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As long as the fad diet isn't too crazy. (You won't lose weight on a caloric surplus, for example.)

Caloric surplus is meaningless. You are not a 4 phase combustion engine. A lot of foodstuff a person ingests get used for other things - building, repairing tissue, making proteins and all other stuff that people need to be alive except oxidation for fuel.

That's why it's a surplus. You need a few calories just to stay alive and not slim, and that inclused repairing tissues etc.

Re: Time to end the war against saturated fat?

#52
post #10

+1 for keto. The wife and I have lost 20 lbs each in the last 3 months.

Congrats. Just like a determined programmer will do well with any language/platform, determined individuals will realize their health goals regardless of which fad diet they are currently utilizing.

I have noticed that there are superresponders to various diets. I am a person that when cuts the starch and sugar could double the caloric intake and still lose weight.

Seems that we are in multimodal distribution so the search for one size fits all weight loss regimen is doomed.

I have seen people succeed with:

Fasting (my first weight loss was that way)

Extremely low carb

Just training

Shocking life event (divorce etc)

The Pill - a friend of mine was quite fat until she started contraception and she thinned a lot for a year. Without dieting.

Re: Time to end the war against saturated fat?

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It's interesting how much diet affects people. There's also a diet for Autism/ADHD/.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gluten-free,_casein-free_diet

from TFWA >In their report, the AAP found that they could not recommend the use of special diets for children with autism spectrum disorder because of inadequate evidence. > A 2008 systematic review from the Cochrane Library indicates that a gluten-free and/or casein-free diet has not been shown to have any effect on the behavior or functioning of individuals with autism > The systematic review, conducted in 2009, co…

I don't know what TFWA or AAP are, but those statements are quite useless.

If you have a child with those problems and you want it to be healed, of course you can just try it for some months. If it works great, if it does not what did you lose? Not eating diary/grains is not that hard.

(And there's clearly a lot of information on the web about this diet and autism, so it must work for someone)

Re: Time to end the war against saturated fat?

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post #10

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Congrats. Just like a determined programmer will do well with any language/platform, determined individuals will realize their health goals regardless of which fad diet they are currently utilizing.

Indeed he will. But a good diet or a good language/platform may help in realizing your goals by not burning your willpower. A corollary to this law is that bad programming languages/platforms make you fat.

Let it be known as JanezStupar's Law.

Re: Time to end the war against saturated fat?

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post #53
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from TFWA >In their report, the AAP found that they could not recommend the use of special diets for children with autism spectrum disorder because of inadequate evidence. > A 2008 systematic review from the Cochrane Library indicates that a gluten-free and/or casein-free diet has not been shown to have any effect on the behavior or functioning of individuals with autism > The systematic review, conducted in 2009, co…

I don't know what TFWA or AAP are, but those statements are quite useless. If you have a child with those problems and you want it to be healed, of course you can just try it for some months. If it works great, if it does not what did you lose? Not eating diary/grains is not that hard. (And there's clearly a lot of information on the web about this diet and autism, so it must work for someone)

Might as well try prayer healing too. If it works great, if it does not what did you lose?

Re: Time to end the war against saturated fat?

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Seems like Lustig's point is that a high-fructose diet is worse for you than a high-fat diet. We have replaced the fat in our diet with fructose, but that isn't necessary. We could just eat carbs low in fructose and/or more protein instead of fat. Regardless, this article is discussing saturated fat, which is a subset of all fats. "Healthy" oils like olive oil, canola oil, and many nuts have lots of fat, but very lit…

You gloss over the salient points in Lustig's presentation: - A calorie is NOT a calorie. - Fructose is a toxin; Liver hepatic fructose metabolism is completely different from glucose. - A high-fructose diet IS a high-fat diet, due to how fructose is metabolized. - The focus on saturated fats gave way to the low-fat diet, which is really a high-carbohydrate diet, which in fact raised incidents of cardiovascular disea…

Lustig's position is tenuous at best, and at times he either carelessly misleads people or outright fabricates points to support his little crusade. Here's (http://sweetenerstudies.com/sites/default/files/resources/fi...) a take-down of a number of issues, logical and factual, in his recent book, and here (http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-ab...) is a critique of his underlying argument about the unique threat posed by fructose (plus some follow-up based on comments and Lustig's own response to that piece http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/02/19/a-retrospective-of-...). Basically, even where Lustig is correct his points don't reflect any real-world situations.

Re: Time to end the war against saturated fat?

#57
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And government lunch programs want to serve only low fat milk http://frac.org/highlights-healthy-hunger-free-kids-act-of-2... We give government too much power. Parents should decide what kind of milk their kids should drink. Or let the kid decide.

Yes, government tyranny in action, giving federal funding to qualified after-school meal programs operated at a local level that provide free skim milk to hungry children.

Why are they forcing unhealthy skim milk?

Re: Time to end the war against saturated fat?

#58
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Healthy oils actually tend to have a lot of saturated fat in them. Nuts, olive oil, coconut oil, avocados, are all quite rich in saturated fats, and actually are good for you (no scare quotes needed). The reason those oils are considered healthy is because of the types of saturated and unsaturated fats they contain. Canola, or rapeseed, oil is somewhat less certainly good for you. And is quite low in saturated fats;…

> The evidence that it is more healthy than other oils has all but evaporated, I'm not sure how you reach that conclusion. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23939686 http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/food-matters/2013/10/25/...

Those articles don't seem to talk about canola/rapeseed oil, at all. They seem to cover olive oil, which I stated is thought to be a health oil. Am I missing something?

Or, was my parenthetical comment about high heat cooking with olive oil confusing? I was speaking of canola/rapeseed oil when I said the evidence that it is healthy have all but evaporated. Olive oil is great, but burned oil is carcinogenic. Olive oil burns at a quite low temperature. So, cooking in grapeseed oil is probably a better bet, and adding olive oil toward the end for flavor.

Re: Time to end the war against saturated fat?

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Healthy oils actually tend to have a lot of saturated fat in them. Nuts, olive oil, coconut oil, avocados, are all quite rich in saturated fats, and actually are good for you (no scare quotes needed). The reason those oils are considered healthy is because of the types of saturated and unsaturated fats they contain. Canola, or rapeseed, oil is somewhat less certainly good for you. And is quite low in saturated fats;…

I was of the impression that rapeseed oil was unhealthy compared to e.g. extra virgin olive oil, due to the common processing methods used to extract it (heating, chemicals[1]). Extra virgin olive oil is extracted purely by mechanical means, no heating is allowed. Here in Sweden, however, it's easy to find and buy organic cold pressed rapeseed oil. I'm of the impression that this stuff is a lot better for you than "c…

I'm not sure, actually. My impressions on canola/rapeseed oil are quite vague. But, as I understood it, traditional rapeseed contained unhealthy acids and that canola was a modified variant to reduce those acids (thus the name: CANadian Oil Low Acid). Rapeseed, as far as I know, is always unhealthy, no matter how you process it. Canola has been made less unhealthy but is probably not as healthy as many alternatives, such as grapeseed oil (which has a fat profile somewhat similar to olive oil, but can be used in high heat cooking as it has a very high smoke point).

Re: Time to end the war against saturated fat?

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post #53

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I don't know what TFWA or AAP are, but those statements are quite useless. If you have a child with those problems and you want it to be healed, of course you can just try it for some months. If it works great, if it does not what did you lose? Not eating diary/grains is not that hard. (And there's clearly a lot of information on the web about this diet and autism, so it must work for someone)

Might as well try prayer healing too. If it works great, if it does not what did you lose?

Bad comparison. Don't underestimate the power of the placebo effect :-)

But seriously: Say you are suffering some problem. You would not do something because scientific sounding entity x and y say a solution to this problem does not work, but a lot of other people say the solution works? That's not logic/sane behaviour.

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