Is it usual to ask planes carrying criminal suspects to be forced to land?
Nothing is "usual" about the Snowden situation, anyway.
Bolivia says Morales' plane diverted, apparently over Snowden
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Re: Bolivia says Morales' plane diverted, apparently over Snowden
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's funny, going from wanting to be the US' "51st state" to not even wanting to be a full EU member, which I think makes a lot more sense (to be one).
In general..... The anti EU people in the UK see the EU as socialist, liberal and left wing. The anti EU people in the UK are...... you guessed it... right wing. Fairly extreme right in UK terms, but probably still left wing by US standards. So, for them, the US is an aspiration further right. IMHO, the EU makes total sense, even if there are many problems with it, and even the US government have urged the UK to get…
This is highly opinionated and somewhat condescending, not everyone who doesn't want to join Europe is some right-wing, Daily Mail reader type.
Re: Bolivia says Morales' plane diverted, apparently over Snowden
#53Re: Bolivia says Morales' plane diverted, apparently over Snowden
#54I wonder what would happen if the plane simply refused to leave Spain's or France's air space and continued on their flight.
Reason for two downvotes?
Re: Bolivia says Morales' plane diverted, apparently over Snowden
#55That tells a lot about all these European countries that are just puppets of the US government,especially France where I come from... Maybe we should stop the hypocrisy and let Washington govern us directly, we could save a lot of money this way.
I think it is more "don't throw stones if you live in a glass house" reason.
Re: Bolivia says Morales' plane diverted, apparently over Snowden
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
In general..... The anti EU people in the UK see the EU as socialist, liberal and left wing. The anti EU people in the UK are...... you guessed it... right wing. Fairly extreme right in UK terms, but probably still left wing by US standards. So, for them, the US is an aspiration further right. IMHO, the EU makes total sense, even if there are many problems with it, and even the US government have urged the UK to get…
But why do you think you'd do any better than Americans right now? From what I can tell, it's even worse in UK with GCHQ and with all the cameras and whatnot, and people have "gotten used to it".
Forgive me I don't quite understand.
Do better than Americans?
Do you mean if the UK was in the EU proper, we Brits doing better than Americans? If so, Im not really referring to the NSA thing, rather our social economic position in general.
As for spying, and what not, no. In many ways we are worse off, with less ability to do much about it. Yes, we in the UK have more CCTV than any other country on the planet. Yes we just "got used to it", apparently. No, we don't have a constitution to protect us, but even then it seems the US gov can still circumvent the constitution as and then it sees fit.
If you mean a choice between being in the EU proper and being a 51st state, then I think it ridiculous to even think about being a 51st state. If nothing else, geography and culture. Despite the shared language, we actually have less in common with Americans than the French, but confuse similarity with a shared language. The comment was intended to be flippant. The idea of American courts fills me with dread. I would genuinely, hand on heart, rather kill myself than face the US idea of justice. Which is one of the reasons I oppose our amusing one sided extradition treaty where the US only has to accuse, no evidence required. But if we want an American for trial, we have to provide evidence, and go through much more due process. We signed up in good faith for an equal deal, we ratified it, the US ignored it. Because we Brits are spineless suckups, we keep to our side of the deal, with out any complaint. This is why you might see me say things like our gov will happily betray its own people to the US.
Despite our problems, I'd rather have our problems, and EU problems, than US ones any day of the week. I would never ever want to be American or governed by Americans. Simply, US culture is not something I either understand or identify with once you get below the surface. No problem with America existing as it stands, and if that is how Americans want to be, then I completely support that, in the same was I support people who want to have, say, an Islamic government. Its their right to choose. Also, always remember our histories. We, US, UK, and that hypothetical Islamic country, all have different histories and reasons for being where we are. We are different. Equally valid, but different. And as the French say, vive la différence.
I really hope that answers your question. If I have missed you point entirely, after all that, then I'm going to cry under my desk!!!!
Re: Bolivia says Morales' plane diverted, apparently over Snowden
#57FlightRadar24 has the recorded track of his flight, FAB1, here: http://www.flightradar24.com/#!/2013-07-02/16:35/FAB1 The odd thing about the claim that Snowden was aboard is that FAB1 took off from Vnukovo but Snowden is apparently in Sheremetyevo. Here's a picture of plane turning round over Austria and then descending and landing in Vienna: http://i.imgur.com/cuUQkWV.jpg UPDATE: News reports say that FAB1 is leavi…
I know humor doesn't work so well here, but FAB1? Seriously? International rescue?
No?
I'll get my coat.
Re: Bolivia says Morales' plane diverted, apparently over Snowden
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's funny, going from wanting to be the US' "51st state" to not even wanting to be a full EU member, which I think makes a lot more sense (to be one).
In general..... The anti EU people in the UK see the EU as socialist, liberal and left wing. The anti EU people in the UK are...... you guessed it... right wing. Fairly extreme right in UK terms, but probably still left wing by US standards. So, for them, the US is an aspiration further right. IMHO, the EU makes total sense, even if there are many problems with it, and even the US government have urged the UK to get…
Most people fail to realize that the EU is above all a harmonizing regulatory and commerce framework, and the impact of that for trade is far higher than most people think, which is why most right-wing UK politicians talk to the talk on the EU but fail to walk the walk.
Re: Bolivia says Morales' plane diverted, apparently over Snowden
#59Now we know what will happen to Snowden if he is granted asylum by a country that can only be reached by flight. The flight permits will be rescinded, the plane forced to land and subjected to a search, and if Snowden is present I suspect he will be arrested and extradited to the USA on the basis that the asylum is invalid on the grounds that it was not granted in the destination country. Russia really is his best ch…
re: "did Bolivia help spread this rumour" No sane state president would risk his own flight safety "to test what would happen." They president, the delegation and the crew now unnecessarily spent the whole night at the airport for chrissake!
yeah but a 3rd party might spread the rumour to test the waters, eg Russia
Re: Bolivia says Morales' plane diverted, apparently over Snowden
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
They don't seem to be handling this very intelligently, more like a bully than anything else. It would be much easier to let Snowden get to a country in southamerica and then after some weeks press under the table to get him arrested. Now doing all this pressing all they get is Snowden in China or Russia's arms.
If you assume the goal of all this is to deter future leaks, I'd say they are doing a pretty good job. Snowden has so much uncertainty and risk in the next few weeks that I bet borderline whistle-blowers are rethinking their plan. Arresting him quietly without the media gets them Snowden, but not the deterrent.
If Snowden gets asylum in Russia after a few days of stress and uncertainty he is well ahead of Manning who's been held in conditions tantamount to torture. And he knew that was a possibile outcome before blowing the whistle and it didn't deter him.