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There are High-IQ countries? Must be the water!
I'm confused. Are you claiming that the populations of all countries score the same on IQ tests? Are you saying that it's all explained by culture and that all that culture goes away when someone immigrates? Do you believe in creationism? What? While I'm sure that your conviction is sincere, I doubt it's based on any actual evidence. Instead it's an expression of how you'd like the world to be.
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#52I'm a US citizen in the SF bay area, bootstrapping a web company by myself, and I'm heading out to Beijing this summer. PG talks a lot about reaching 'ramen profitability' and there's no easier place to hit that than China. It's going to cost me about $400 a month to live (frugally), and if I needed to, I could teach English for about $60 / hr. Worst case scenario, a native English speaker could dedicate one or two d…
* ZERO visa problems, we welcome immigrants from hunger or financial disasters,
since 1890 :)
* Pretty women who like foreigners (never underestimate this!)
* Great nightlife (or this.)
* Projected economic growth (recession instead of depression.)
* After '01 default, the country works on zero credit already (no surprises.)
* But infrastructure and culture is significantly closer to US/Europe.
* The constitution is modeled after French and US.
* Hardworking culture.
* Affordable reasonably good health-care.
* Ubiquitous free Wi-Fi (cafés, bars, neighbors.)
* Hacker culture, many knowledgeable people around.
Granted:
* It is more expensive than China or India, but definitely within the
ramen-profitable range.
* Some places are not as safe as it used to be, but most of the country is very
safe. For example where I am people leave cares with the keys on ignition when
going to the shops.
* Banks aren't reliable but you can keep the bulk of money in US or use
safety deposit boxes.YMMV, of course... :)
Re: The Real High-Tech Immigrant Problem: They’re Leaving
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
It might be just my personal prejudice but I'm a little scared of China; mainly because of the fact that its own citizens don't enjoy freedom of expression, God knows what might happen to a foreign national. What's your experience? Are my fears unfounded?
> I'm a little scared of China How can you say this when the Bush administration has just spent the past 8 years systematically dismantling your privacy rights and running a global kidnapping and torture network? Meanwhile, the US imprisons more of its population than any other nation on earth, especially for non-violent crimes. It doesn't scare you that you can be thrown in jail for years because you like to smoke a…
>How can you say this when the Bush administration has just spent the past 8 years systematically dismantling your privacy rights and running a global kidnapping and torture network?
Because he knows the difference between the current value and the derivative?
Besides, Obama has pretty much signed onto everything, so it's all good.
And then there's the "where is better?" question.
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#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are there any valid reasons as to why you would still want to move to the US?
Don't laugh, but it's a kind of patriotism. I love the country. It's beautiful. I like its philosophy. American values resonate close to my values. In the years I lived there I grew to think of it as my home much more than the country I was born in. I could see calling myself American. When I went there I was received well. I was helped. I made friends. Now I think I can help in return. I would like to contribute, es…
1. Entreprenurs .... You start a business and hire 4-5 FT US employees 2. Investment .... Invest 500K in some Federal designated area.
Re: The Real High-Tech Immigrant Problem: They’re Leaving
#55Hum... It is not that they (we) are leaving, it is more like they (we) are not even going. I'm a Spaniard, I have worked in five different countries in Europe and Latin America. I'm currently settled in the U.K. I have worked as a consultant, as a developer in a "one-product" company and now I´m working as an in-house developer in a non-tech company. It simply does not make sense to relocate to USA for me. I have had…
Are you able to pay your "euro denominated mortgage while living" elsewhere (and paying for a second household) in the EU?
Re: The Real High-Tech Immigrant Problem: They’re Leaving
#56Hum... It is not that they (we) are leaving, it is more like they (we) are not even going. I'm a Spaniard, I have worked in five different countries in Europe and Latin America. I'm currently settled in the U.K. I have worked as a consultant, as a developer in a "one-product" company and now I´m working as an in-house developer in a non-tech company. It simply does not make sense to relocate to USA for me. I have had…
> every other day you get news about some guy who > On the other hand, I personally know some people (about 15 persons) Not to defend the US Immigration service, but those samples aren't comparable - one is orders of magnitude larger and less reliable.
Not to defend the climate of fear generated by media scare stories, but it's more complex than that - the problem isn't that every once in a while someone screws up; the problem is that it can happen at all and they're not screw-ups, it's policy.
Everyone knows someone with a story about some horrible entry into the US. The fact that it happens at all, the idea that all "foreigners" are untrustworthy terrorists-in-disguise to be treated with suspicion and contempt, slowly sinks in. This is a very powerful antidote to the "land of the free" rhetoric, which starts to seem like a myth in itself - one media illusion demolishing another, if you will.
And it's just this, I don't know, malicious arrogance to the whole thing. From the very beginning, to be treated in that way, and for such treatment to be institutionalised and officially accepted, even encouraged, as the price to pay for the privilege of being allowed to enter the country? After a while anyone with any pride at all is forced to consider whether America is such a shining utopia to be worth rolling the dice every time you dare to try and get into the place. And as countries like India and China grow in wealth and stature, the pride of their citizens rises too.
But it's not just the risk of drawing the short straw on the "your name reminds us of something" list, every single visitor faces invasive biometric ID procedures to be kept for god knows how long, shared with god knows who, and used for god knows what purpose.
I am an Australian citizen from birth (a country which is a longtime ally of the USA and actually the only country who has fought alongside her in every war for a century), non religious, educated and of sufficient means. If I want to enter the US I face being photographed and my fingerprints taken like a common criminal. Jokes about convict ancestry aside - do you have any idea what kind of message that sends?
Whatever the intention is, I understand it as meaning that foreigners are not wanted in the USA, and I'm happy to oblige. You might think that sounds ridiculous and childish, taking such an impersonal message personally and all that, but think about it. Would you choose to visit a country that treats you like that, all other things being equal, which they pretty much are?
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think if you used words like "cultures that do not value education", you wouldn't come off as a racist/IQist as much.
Okay, sure. But then I'd have to think of an explanation for why adopted Asian-Americans do just as well (or better) academically than Asian-Americans raised by their own parents. Culture can't explain that. Maybe you could help me out?
Sure, there are plenty of other forums where people encourage your sort of discussion. Go away.
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#59Well actually the labor government in Australia is currently reviewing the migrant intake policies mentioned in the main article ... http://www.iht.com/articles/2009/01/18/business/ozjobs.2-410... But it looks like we're going to keep up the high intake for the most part. We're certainly not losing any from what I've observed. As an aside I have to say I haven't seen much of anti-immigration sentiment here even with…
This should be a time of amazing opportunity to absorb the talent leaving other countries.
Re: The Real High-Tech Immigrant Problem: They’re Leaving
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are High-IQ countries? Must be the water!
I'm confused. Are you claiming that the populations of all countries score the same on IQ tests? Are you saying that it's all explained by culture and that all that culture goes away when someone immigrates? Do you believe in creationism? What? While I'm sure that your conviction is sincere, I doubt it's based on any actual evidence. Instead it's an expression of how you'd like the world to be.
You got that part right, at least.