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Australia's social media ban has failed

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Re: Australia's social media ban has failed

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Here in Australia, every parent I have spoken to is happy about the ban. The media is predictably unhappy since they lose eyeballs, advertising revenue and money. Previous approaches like expecting parents to educate children failed miserably. Most parents lacked at least one or more of motivation, time or knowledge.

> The media is predictably unhappy

this is an article by reuters, they are not affected by the ban.

Re: Australia's social media ban has failed

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The one we lived in 1995?

And why not the one 1895? Some people seem to prefer this as well, but you perhaps would not like it. If you prefer living without a smartphone its completly up to you and I would always stand for your right to not have one, but on the other side I am also standing for the right to have one if someone desires one.

Are you also standing up for the right of 12 year olds to access porn and graphic violence though?

That's a somewhat loaded question, I'll assume you're not (correct me if I'm wrong) and move on to the question of should 12 year olds have smartphones and if so how should they limit access to porn and graphic violence when used by 12 year olds?

Please don't fob this off by requiring that all parents should have CS degrees or IT qualifications, that's not a thing.

Re: Australia's social media ban has failed

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Perhaps one can dream that we have a social media ban that affects HN and bans 35 and below. One can imagine if a ban is successful on one site then the kids flood another. It’ll be some kind of Thundering Herd Eternal September.

Re: Australia's social media ban has failed

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When we give everyone a computer and want to restrict a group of people from some of its capabilities (for their own good), the consequence is a restricted computer. Not giving everyone that computer in the first place could help ensure it stays a true general purpose computer.

Re: Australia's social media ban has failed

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Anecdotally, all the parents I know and have discussed this with are desperate for this to work. How it should work I'm unsure in the big scheme of it, but we limit access to various things until age 18 here in Australia, and I think this is one long term battle that I believe the tech sector will lose.

I got bullied at school, but I'm not sure the solution would be to not let anyone in school talk to me :/

Reducing bulling isn't the primary goal with this kind of thing, more a secondary benefit.

Did you know that heroin (at the time, that was a registered trademark) was originally sold as a "non-addictive morphine substitute" to be used as cough suppressant?

People weren't at all sure how to even regulate substances in the early years of the 20th century, which is why when the US got Prohibition it was via a constitutional amendment rather than a mere law, even though they already knew about drugs laws and the Harrison Narcotics Tax Act predated Prohibition by about 5 years.

Right now, we're not sure how to even regulate social media.

Re: Australia's social media ban has failed

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The law doesn't require identifying anyone

Being forced to cough up ID or taking a selfie to verify age sounds like something that could be used identify you.

That's not what the law requires

Re: Australia's social media ban has failed

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Anecdotally, all the parents I know and have discussed this with are desperate for this to work. How it should work I'm unsure in the big scheme of it, but we limit access to various things until age 18 here in Australia, and I think this is one long term battle that I believe the tech sector will lose.

Rather than applying more bans, perhaps we should consider ways of living that allow parents to spend time talking to their children. Understanding what their days are like and the problems they face. For me much of this discussion and the excessive demand it takes from parents sounds more like a problem of the society as whole. That we are not having enough time to raise children since both parents are forced to wor…

I know! How about new technology that "automates" stuff, letting them pay us lower wages to work more hours (if we're lucky to keep a job)? Maybe it should even be trained on our work

Re: Australia's social media ban has failed

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I've said this to every single person who pushed for this. "Imagine you're a teenager, and your parents and government tell you to not do something... What will happen?" The answer is of course that they keep doing it anyhow. But hide it. As an Aussie, and a parent. What I wanted was that the government mandate that in order for your website or app to launch in Australia, that if you want to allow kids between certai…

Here some types of small motorize vehicles can be used by persons under 16. Of course, they have built-in speed limiters.

What if we had this kind of distinction for mobile devices with Internet access? Adult's smartphone vs kid's smartphone?

It could be some sort of combo of a specific "for kids" SIM card (with, say, DNS blocking at ISP level and/or date of birth of the user) and a "kids hardened" OS that prevent bypasses and the parental monitoring tools you mention. The OS (in a wide sense, that could extend to the browser and other mission-critical programs) could be certified by some national agency; commercial products have to pay for the test, FLOSS projects could tested for free on request.

Re: Australia's social media ban has failed

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And why not the one 1895? Some people seem to prefer this as well, but you perhaps would not like it. If you prefer living without a smartphone its completly up to you and I would always stand for your right to not have one, but on the other side I am also standing for the right to have one if someone desires one.

Are you also standing up for the right of 12 year olds to access porn and graphic violence though? That's a somewhat loaded question, I'll assume you're not (correct me if I'm wrong) and move on to the question of should 12 year olds have smartphones and if so how should they limit access to porn and graphic violence when used by 12 year olds? Please don't fob this off by requiring that all parents should have CS deg…

Do you think 12yos have a right to stab each other to death? Why don't you support a knife ban if you don't want this to happen?
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