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Re: Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory

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Post by kasey_junk »

anticodon wrote: post #31
miohtama wrote: post #15

Because Russian's war with Ukraine is unsustainable, something has to change for Putin for him to remain in power, and one option is an escalation with NATO. Some other scenarios also explained in this good video https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jDhYFSGkaAc

What? In other words, you're saying: "Russia is losing war with Ukraine, so it wants to start a second front with bigger enemy". Also, how's Ukraine war is sustainable for Ukraine? It's economy is non-existent (almost 100% dependent on western donations), it has less than 50% of population of 2022 (they don't publish any population stats directly, but if you combine available statistics, there are about 10-15 million…

A war doesn’t need to be sustainable for Ukraine, it’s existential. For the aggressor that backstop doesn’t exist. They could literally stop the war anytime they wanted so they need to continue to prove it’s sustainable to keep doing it.

Re: Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory

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Post by mcv »

anticodon wrote: post #31
miohtama wrote: post #15

Because Russian's war with Ukraine is unsustainable, something has to change for Putin for him to remain in power, and one option is an escalation with NATO. Some other scenarios also explained in this good video https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jDhYFSGkaAc

What? In other words, you're saying: "Russia is losing war with Ukraine, so it wants to start a second front with bigger enemy". Also, how's Ukraine war is sustainable for Ukraine? It's economy is non-existent (almost 100% dependent on western donations), it has less than 50% of population of 2022 (they don't publish any population stats directly, but if you combine available statistics, there are about 10-15 million…

Ukraine is gaining some ground, but very slowly. It's basically a stalemate. Except that Ukraine is making the war extremely costly for Russia with the recent attacks on refineries and other targets deep into Russia.

As long as the EU keeps supporting them, I think Ukraine will be better able to maintain the current situation than Russia. But Ukraine is nearly as exhausted as Russia, and I think a European coalition sending real practical ground and air support would help a lot. I suspect sufficient support could force a breakthrough in southern Ukraine an liberate a very large chunk of land very quickly.

The reason that's not happening is either that NATO thinks this would give Putin the excuse he needs for large scale mobilisation, or simply because Europe is afraid to get its hands dirty. I don't think the former is nearly as big an issue as some believe; Putin has never needed any action from NATO or EU members to justify escalation, and has never responded to imagined red lines getting crossed.

The latter is more likely. I think Europe needs to remember the sacrifice that Canada and the US brought to liberate Europe in WW2, and recognise the moral obligation that creates to liberate others in a similar position. Like Ukraine today.

Re: Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory

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Post by petre »

sunaookami wrote: post #47
walrus01 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

France24 does a lot of very solid work related to one of my particular areas of interest in the Iran/Afghanistan/Pakistan region. It's also a great alternative to any US news sources even for news about what's going on domestically in North America (though the CBC has more breadth of coverage, for sure).

Just keep in mind that's literally owned by the French government.

Yeah, just like the BBC is owned by the British government. Less clickbait and scaremongering, I guess.

Re: Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory

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Post by cyclopeanutopia »

romaaeterna wrote: post #30
rwmj wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're Shahed drones, used by Russia.

In September the Russians accused the Ukrainians of having repairing downed Geran drone airframes at the Lviv LORTA plant, transferring them to Yavoriv, and launching them unarmed into Poland. They presented various evidence like serial numbers, photographs of silver-tape repairs, claims that a Ukrainian SIM-card was used, lack of impact destruction, etc. What's true though? I don't believe that I have a way to find…

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Re: Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory

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Post by leonidasrup »

anticodon wrote: post #31
miohtama wrote: post #15

Because Russian's war with Ukraine is unsustainable, something has to change for Putin for him to remain in power, and one option is an escalation with NATO. Some other scenarios also explained in this good video https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jDhYFSGkaAc

What? In other words, you're saying: "Russia is losing war with Ukraine, so it wants to start a second front with bigger enemy". Also, how's Ukraine war is sustainable for Ukraine? It's economy is non-existent (almost 100% dependent on western donations), it has less than 50% of population of 2022 (they don't publish any population stats directly, but if you combine available statistics, there are about 10-15 million…

Not all wars have a simple way to say who is winning, who is loosing. See the Vietnam war, different Afgan wars.

Re: Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory

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Post by voakbasda »

mcv wrote: post #39
xedrac wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you feel threatened that Russia and Iran will succeed in conquering all of Europe and the Middle East? I see it more like a couple of misbehaving misfits. That's very different than say, WWII.

The main threat to Europe is if Trump ever makes good on his threats to take Canada and Greenland. If the US turns truly hostile, then Europe has a serious problem. Especially if Putin and Trump decide they want to split Europe between the two of them. It's a very extreme case, but it would get extremely messy. Putin on his own is something Europe should easily be able to handle as long as they've got Ukraine on thei…

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Re: Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory

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Post by hdgvhicv »

mcv wrote: post #39
xedrac wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you feel threatened that Russia and Iran will succeed in conquering all of Europe and the Middle East? I see it more like a couple of misbehaving misfits. That's very different than say, WWII.

The main threat to Europe is if Trump ever makes good on his threats to take Canada and Greenland. If the US turns truly hostile, then Europe has a serious problem. Especially if Putin and Trump decide they want to split Europe between the two of them. It's a very extreme case, but it would get extremely messy. Putin on his own is something Europe should easily be able to handle as long as they've got Ukraine on thei…

Fortunatly Trump won’t be a major problem for long. I’m more worried about the techbro community who want to usher in a neo-feudal empire based around resource control.

Re: Third Drone Shot Down in Three Days in Romanian Territory

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Post by infinite_spin »

Kubuxu wrote: post #18
an0malous wrote: post #7

Why are these drones so easy to shoot down, but the ones invading airspaces over nuclear bases and other sensitive installations hundreds of times for months all over Europe and the east coast of the US were never shot down or tracked even once?

Because Shahed 131/136 are large, way larger than surveillance drone/quadcopter. We are talking 2-3m wingspans and 130-200kg launch mass.

One other reason, Shahed drones are preprogrammed with their target, they're not being flown by an operator who can quickly change their course. They're basically a cruise missile with propellers.
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