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Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released

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Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released

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Post by strictfp »

tresta wrote: post #23
vibrunazo wrote: post #16

One word of advice, don't do the automatic upgrade, do a full reinstall instead. After trying that for the last 5 or so releases. Always thinking that this time they fixed it. I'm not falling for that again. You'll see, as always, some reports of people saying they tried and it worked. But be careful, it's a trap!

I really don't understand why the upgrade seems to be so hit and miss between people. My current laptop has been on the same ubuntu install since (at least) 10.04. I've even upgraded to beta versions a couple of times and the only problem I've ever had was when I upgraded to the 12.10 beta and it ran out of disk space in the middle of the install. But that was recoverable. Of course, this comment might be a trap. The…

Me too, upgraded from 7.04 to 12.04 without major problems.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released

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Post by EwanToo »

aes256 wrote: post #50
regularfry wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe we are reading a different article: Today, Canonical has released version 12.10 of its Ubuntu Linux distribution, code-named "Quantal Quetzal" after a ridiculously awesome-looking bird.

Yet it hasn't actually been released. The download links on the website all point to 12.04, and 12.10 is not available through the update manager yet either. Looks like Ars jumped the gun.

It's in the update manager, I ran the upgrade a couple of hours ago on a VM on my work PC, worked fine.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released

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Post by Random_Person »

BitMastro wrote: post #47
lhnn wrote: post #26

Everyone has their own preferred setup, and that's great! It's part of what makes FOSS great: Your choice. My choice is Xubuntu. I've been using Xubuntu on my laptop for the past 6 months, and the 12.10 beta for the past two. The link below is my tasklist after install to really make Xubuntu shine. Oh! And now with updates to the Ubiquity installer, FDE can be done with the GUI instead of fiddling with the debian-ins…

I was so fond of Ubuntu before they introduced Unity or Gnome 3. It was so responsive, easy enough for a beginner, yet it was not in the way for an expert user (apart for the lack of regex in the default editor, perhaps). I tried Xubuntu, Kubuntu and other distros, but I kept going back to the default Ubuntu one. I used it as my only OS for years, but now sadly it's the opposite and I boot it only when I need it. I g…

I'm the opposite. I' used XFCE for a decade and stuck by it because it felt familiar... it felt like home. With the release of 12.04, I switched to vanilla Ubuntu because I feel that will be what I see the most in the tech industry and I wanted to get use to it.

It took about 2 days to get used to it, but now I find myself super+(search term) for everything instead of trying to find stuff in an applications list and that spilled over to my Win7 use also.

I still miss a few functionalities, mainly right-click->open terminal here, but I find myself reaching for my mouse MUCH less and I'm not wasting time trying to find something buried in a list or folder somewhere. Search is FAST (on both platforms).

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released

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Post by takluyver »

aw3c2 wrote: post #48
pimentel wrote: post #24

"includes Python 3.2.3 as standard" Won't this have any impact on existing python installers, designed to be used with python 2.x?

Awesome! Does anyone know if that means that "python" is python 3 then? Or do they still use 2 for "python" and just add eg a new binary named "python3" by default?

"python" is still Python 2, and will be for the foreseeable future. Python 3 is, as you guessed, a separate binary called "python3".

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released

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Post by takluyver »

pajju wrote: post #34
pimentel wrote: post #24

"includes Python 3.2.3 as standard" Won't this have any impact on existing python installers, designed to be used with python 2.x?

If its only coming with 3.2.3 it will break many existing tools.(think django) If you see MAC, it does come with lower versions of python too, so it supports older python projects.(python2.7, python2.5 based and doesn't break the system) Latest Ubuntu might well come even with lower versions of python too - as many Ubuntu apps and tools itself use the lower versions of python. But the default python will be 3.2.3 To…

It will still be really easy to have Python 2 & 3 installed side by side, and "python" will still be Python 2. So you don't need to do any symlinking or messing with $PATH.

I think Ars misunderstood, as well: 12.10 has both Python 2 and 3 by default. They're working towards dropping Python 2 from the default install, but it's not there yet. When they do, it will just be an "apt-get install python" away.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released

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Post by PBxdId7wFr »

Random_Person wrote: post #53
BitMastro wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was so fond of Ubuntu before they introduced Unity or Gnome 3. It was so responsive, easy enough for a beginner, yet it was not in the way for an expert user (apart for the lack of regex in the default editor, perhaps). I tried Xubuntu, Kubuntu and other distros, but I kept going back to the default Ubuntu one. I used it as my only OS for years, but now sadly it's the opposite and I boot it only when I need it. I g…

I'm the opposite. I' used XFCE for a decade and stuck by it because it felt familiar... it felt like home. With the release of 12.04, I switched to vanilla Ubuntu because I feel that will be what I see the most in the tech industry and I wanted to get use to it. It took about 2 days to get used to it, but now I find myself super+(search term) for everything instead of trying to find stuff in an applications list and…

install nautilus-open-terminal.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released

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Post by Random_Person »

PBxdId7wFr wrote: post #56
Random_Person wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm the opposite. I' used XFCE for a decade and stuck by it because it felt familiar... it felt like home. With the release of 12.04, I switched to vanilla Ubuntu because I feel that will be what I see the most in the tech industry and I wanted to get use to it. It took about 2 days to get used to it, but now I find myself super+(search term) for everything instead of trying to find stuff in an applications list and…

install nautilus-open-terminal.

Wow. That should be default. I obviously never even tried to google the issue. THANKS!

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released

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Post by trotsky »

I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but I actually like the innovations canonical keeps bringing to unity (although I'm not in love with the amazon searches). My problem with it is execution - run gnome shell on the identical hardware and it will always run circles* around unity especially in terms ui responsiveness. Just press the super key after you've been doing something else for a while and start typing - in my experience gnome shell seems to respond almost instantaneously while unity can take as long as several seconds to bring up the default lens on decent hardware.

I like a lot of their design decisions like the global menu, dechroming maximized windows, easy custom lenses etc. But the compiz/custom code base just isn't up to the task. Worse, unity is so tied to their non-mainline gui stack that it is a herculean effort to get it to run on anything besides ubuntu, preventing them from getting fixes from outside their ecosystem.

I know there is a lot of bad blood these days between gnome and canonical but they really need to bite the bullet and rebase on mutter, gtk3 & gnome shell. Canonical is great at a lot of things, but core performance oriented software just isn't one of them. Let somebody else do the heavy lifting.

I haven't gotten a chance to try the gnome shell spin that they're producing this cycle. Can anyone comment on how well its working? My experience trying to go vanilla gnome 3 on ubuntu in the past has been less than stellar, but I really appreciate the ubuntu community and things like launchpad ppas.

*250ms-2000ms lag

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released

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Post by RyanMcGreal »

In the past month or two, I've come around on Unity after hiding out in gnome-session-fallback and then cinnamon. With the launch bar icons shrunk to their smallest size and Docky on the bottom, the Unity interface has gotten to the point where it's smooth and usable. Call me a convert, but I decided Unity has gotten to the point where it's easier to work with it than to keep trying to work against it.
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