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The share of Americans having regular sex keeps dropping

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Re: The share of Americans having regular sex keeps dropping

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Feminism maybe? (yes controversial, more science needed)

Feminism started in 2010?

yeah, if you were going with the political cultural phenomena explanations rather than merely reduced socialization, the "incel" movements are a far more recent phenomenon than feminism...

Re: The share of Americans having regular sex keeps dropping

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The article mostly blames pornography and digital addiction, but I think those are symptoms of a larger problem, which is lack of belonging and community. If life sucks, you have few friends you can afford the time or money to see, and you work to make other people rich until you are exhausted, when do you have time and energy to maintain a relationship? If you feel like the world is on fire, it's hard to get in the…

The decline of community is a very big deal. I think a lot of it has to do with the way we build our living spaces. Modern North American cities are rife with car-centric suburbs, huge driveways, front doors set back a mile from the sidewalk, long commutes to anywhere (not just work, even to get groceries). We're living in these metal-and-glass boxes and we only see other people as obstacles in the way of what we want, rather than fellow human beings.

It seems to me that we've built this horrible, alienating environment not by deliberate choice but through a larger collective and political process none of us could individually control. We've created rules (building codes and zoning laws) that entrench this dystopia in countless small ways which will take a concerted effort to undo.

Re: The share of Americans having regular sex keeps dropping

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As others have pointed out, we need more space, and time, to socialise with each other in unstructured ways. This will inevitably lead to more sex (pure human nature). There are many very obvious reasons why this isn’t happening, like working longer hours to cope with cost of living, or high real estate prices that make it financially unsustainable to operate third places.

Re: The share of Americans having regular sex keeps dropping

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You gotta love a society which persistently makes the world a worse and worse place and then complains when people don't want to have sex or have kids. I'm not one of those weirdos who can't see that materially in some superficial ways, our lives are better than ever: medicine, toys, entertainment, and a lot of other stuff, better than ever. Not only that, I can even acknowledge that capitalism is what has provided t…

I think it's more than just "you aren't adequate". I think it's that the material prosperity isn't feeding our souls, or our hearts, or whatever word you want to use. We're better off, but less connected, and we need personal connection, not just internet connection. We're dying inside, even in the midst of all the stuff. We're poor in a way that material prosperity can't fix.

Re: The share of Americans having regular sex keeps dropping

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Article is written by a conservative think tank pushing traditional family values. The statistics might or might not be valid but I wouldn't take their word for it.

Banning pornography is high on the agenda for these folks. I’m sure they get paid to turn out think pieces on the subject.

Re: The share of Americans having regular sex keeps dropping

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other hand historically there's been circumstances far worse than we are having now in terms of war, famine, diseases, living standards and it didn't stop people from reproducing at all. I really doubt it's that. I think it's something else.

war, disease and famine remove the excess men and makes society less interconnected. Technology makes society more interconnected and puts men in competition with a greater number of their peers. My observation from comparing different societies is that the amount of sex increases as men have greater leverage over women, and vice-versa.

Disease and famine does not "remove excess men". A war removes them when men go fight to other places. If the war is in your country, there are a lot more victims among non fighters - typically 3:1. In WWII it was a lot more. And there, the victims are whoever is physically weaker.

Re: The share of Americans having regular sex keeps dropping

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The article mostly blames pornography and digital addiction, but I think those are symptoms of a larger problem, which is lack of belonging and community. If life sucks, you have few friends you can afford the time or money to see, and you work to make other people rich until you are exhausted, when do you have time and energy to maintain a relationship? If you feel like the world is on fire, it's hard to get in the…

Is sex ed positively correlated with greater fertility and frequency of sex? I expect the opposite is true.

I would expect it to reduce fertility because we know when you explain to girls how human reproduction actually works fewer of them are onboard because that sure looks like a traumatic experience. Oh so eventually after the other horrible side effects the parasite gets so large I have to push it out of my body through an orifice which is clearly not adequately sized for this purpose? Strong no.

But the other part sounds fun, so, why wouldn't learning about that encourage you? If you've done a decent sex ed course then a whole lot of fun possibilities are showcased, even if you think some of them are gross the others seem intriguing enough that I'd expect more rather than less will be interested in trying.

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Feminism maybe? (yes controversial, more science needed)

Yes, in the sense that educated and working women have started to prefer a partner at the same or higher levels of education and income. But most people don't have college degrees, so this doesn't explain everything.

College educated women are marrying at about same rate as they used to. They marry men with similar income even if they are not College educated.

Uneducated women marry significantly less.

Re: The share of Americans having regular sex keeps dropping

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Nearly all in person interaction is a meaningless waste of time now. The only thing really left is sex and work. You're not supposed to have sex with your coworkers (if you even have a job where you work in person) and everyone is shamed for going to places specifically for sex so there's literally no way too initiate that kind of relationship anymore.
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