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Re: India Launches Beta Version of Its Data Site

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Post by scorpion032 »

lutusp wrote: post #39
scorpion032 wrote: post #14

One of the core values of any government should be to make available all of it's data freely to all citizens available via API. Everything being publicly auctioned and the free data available publicly will stop many of the scams of the nature India is going through right now. I am not sure if any one would, but if someone comes up with a bill that holds the powers-that-be responsible under the "Duty to Report" bill,…

> One of the core values of any government should be to make available all of it's data ... [emphasis added] On reading both this post and the title of this thread, one might be misled into thinking that "it's" doesn't mean "it is".

It's one of my own pet peeves to rightly use its spelling, having been a GrammarNazi myself for a long time.

But I seem to have grown out of that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7E-aoXLZGY

Re: India Launches Beta Version of Its Data Site

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Post by harigov »

monsterix wrote: post #19
sandGorgon wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, it is relevant to note that incentive for active development on Gov data-sets like these (believed to improve the existing establishment) is probably not as attractive an idea as it is to disrupt the legacy. That's how the relationship has been for centuries. Actually, it is part of the GoI's "Data Sharing and Accessibility Policy" that was made law. http://www.india.gov.in/allimpfrms/alldocs/16473.pdf Looking…

Perhaps you might want to educate me on it with some examples where there has been successful impact on the Government. "...one of the biggest challenges for efficiency in governance is accountability" is the problem to be solved, not a proof of success of any such initiative. Your argument doesn't seem to explain how we're going to improve the legacy system or even convince the developers to use these data-sets in t…

More information always helps - especially in a democracy. This data is not for developers to make use of. It's just data available for everyone to use.

Re: India Launches Beta Version of Its Data Site

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Post by berito »

shiven wrote: post #32
berito wrote: post #30

Notice the use of the phrase "allopathic hospitals" in a database of number of beds available! It always cracks me up how modern medicine is referred to as just another form of medicine, like Ayurvedic or homeopathic. The Indian government is clearly of the opinion that forms of quackery that are homeopathy and Ayurveda actually work and are worthy of tax payer money.

Please qualify your claims with sources and/or evidence. I agree with your statement regarding Homeopathy being quackery, but I see no reason to paint Ayurvedic Medicine with the same brush. Unless, of course, our definitions of Ayurveda differ on a fundamental level.

The burden of proof is on you if you are making the outrageous claim that ayurveda works.

Re: India Launches Beta Version of Its Data Site

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Post by 3am_hackernews »

w1ntermute wrote: post #27
hiltro wrote: post #15

Why is it that contires such as india seems to be behind in the way of website design, the design is just too busy for me and the styles/colours remind me of early 2000 sites.

Yeah, when I saw the scrolling text I wanted to gouge my eyes out. It's straight out of 1999. And for a country where mobile based access will presumably be quite common (as only 7% of the population has home internet), why isn't there a mobile site at launch?

About design and usability: Most of the people accessing the web from India don't focus on design as much as they do on content and or the purpose. This is changing though as more and more consumers and developers are paying attention to UX and other such aspects.

About mobile based access: I don't have the specific numbers at this point, but most of the mobile access is through 'dumbphones'. So not having a mobile site is not exactly an issue.

Re: India Launches Beta Version of Its Data Site

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Post by lenkite »

berito wrote: post #30

Notice the use of the phrase "allopathic hospitals" in a database of number of beds available! It always cracks me up how modern medicine is referred to as just another form of medicine, like Ayurvedic or homeopathic. The Indian government is clearly of the opinion that forms of quackery that are homeopathy and Ayurveda actually work and are worthy of tax payer money.

One can only shake one's head at yet another individual fully brainwashed by western Pharmacies and mainstream doctors. Folks like you are always to point out any alternative medicine system as quackery while fully ignoring that mainstream medicine has had a very long tradition of copying and patenting any active ingredient that has been proven beneficial by their sister professions.

Ayurvedic research into herbal ingredients follow rigorous testing in labs, peer-reviewed research and case studies before it gets the govt of India stamp, quite similar to how mainstream medicine works, but of course you didn't care to educate yourself on that.

Re: India Launches Beta Version of Its Data Site

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Post by lotsofpulp »

hari1978 wrote: post #48
amackera wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can believe whatever you would like to believe, but the fact of the matter is that there is no scientific evidence to suggest that ayurvedic treatments are effective whatsoever.

It's scientifically proved on various occasions. For instance an year back for patient with chronic trigeminal neurological pain, we have given cyberknife treatment. Most advanced radiation thearphy for this kind of pains. Initially everything was ok and the pain bounced back in 3 months. We kept the patient continuously in pain killer for so many months, before they found a very old Ayurveda practitioner somewhere d…

"Various occasions" do not prove anything. Sample sizes need to be much larger, and even then, the mechanics of the treatment must be uncovered.

Also, there is no reason to use "scientific" as a qualifier for proof. There is either sufficient evidence to constitute proof, or not, but there is no distinction between "scientific" proof and other proof.

Re: India Launches Beta Version of Its Data Site

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Post by lotsofpulp »

pullo wrote: post #41
w1ntermute wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Having known people who benefitted from ayurvedic treatment Anecdotal evidence. > needless to say many treatment centers are based in cities and visited by what you might call a more educated and worldly crowd Appeal to authority. How about some actual scientific evidence? I'm no expert on the matter, but from what I can find on Wikipedia[0], the benefits of Ayurvedic medicne were inconclusive at best. As someone w…

is it anecdotal even if it is one of your best friends? I am not so sure. ok, here is some more information. A study comparing ayurveda with allopathic treatment for Rheumatoid Arthritis. http://journals.lww.com/jclinrheum/Abstract/2011/06000/Doubl... "Conclusions: In this first-ever, double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled pilot study comparing Ayurveda, MTX, and their combination, all 3 treatments were approxi…

Definition of anecdota:

https://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Aanecdotal&sugex...

"Best friend" has nothing to do with quality of data, in fact it might taint it. Also, causation must still be established, i.e. uncovering the mechanics of the treatment.

Also, your last few sentences are difficult to understand.

Re: India Launches Beta Version of Its Data Site

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Post by aasarava »

Zirro wrote: post #4

I don't think I've ever seen so many separate JavaScript and CSS-files used on a page before. Surely most, if not all, could be reduced into one?

In Drupal any module can inject its own separate stylesheet into the page. It's standard practice to enable Drupal's CSS (and javascript) compression feature once you move the site to production. That they haven't done it suggests the developers aren't very familiar with Drupal, or easily overlook details.

Re: India Launches Beta Version of Its Data Site

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Post by fareesh »

This site is absolute trash, pretty much like anything else the NIC creates. I've tried to register using a dozen possible methods and there are all sorts of errors. Seriously, how hard is it to allow someone to create an account, beta or no beta? They have this ridiculous list of ways to sign up including Foursquare and PayPal and almost none of them work. Yes Paypal, really.
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