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AI 'wingmen' bots to write profiles and flirt on dating apps

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Re: AI 'wingmen' bots to write profiles and flirt on dating apps

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post #41

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why do i get downvoted here on a story that happened in real life?

From me because you turned a thread about online dating into a missive that reads "woke feminists today, amirite?"

Well, if this is your only worries, then, yes, you are right: Im a very-bad-Super-Nazi (or even more!) when just telling that i was wondered about getting offended because of using the regular "local language"

LOL :-)

Re: AI 'wingmen' bots to write profiles and flirt on dating apps

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Texting only sure sucks, you need to be on cam and talk through the mic at the very least.

actually, id say this would kill the business: Most people look on cam much less attractive than in real life, also most people do not like to interact per video immediately (apart from the fact that with todays deepfake-AI tools one could be easily a victim to ID-theft etc.)

I look much better on cam due to filters. :D

Re: AI 'wingmen' bots to write profiles and flirt on dating apps

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why do i get downvoted here on a story that happened in real life?

“Why don’t you just get a cleaner?” is not a subject I’d introduce anywhere near the start of a relationship.

Well, if you are telling me about problem X, which could easily resolved and which would be useful and beneficial for you, and we could solve it with low transactions costs, and i present you the solution Y to your problem X: Why should this be offensive? (obviously they have some "logistics alignment problem", if the have those dicussions?)

example: im living alone and i also hired someone to do this. I do not get whats wrong about a useful suggestion? And esp. in this case, its not about the money that they do not hire someone

Re: AI 'wingmen' bots to write profiles and flirt on dating apps

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post #44

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Here i can also add a story: Last year, i recognized a lady who also exits the same metro & bus at the same station sometimes, so i was looking forward that i will see her again one day. This happened: I have to note im somewhat above the average body height, as she is: id say she was around 1.89m, my own size - apart from the fact that i found her beautiful, i thought it would be somehow a "higher chance" to get to…

Um, did you consider that this tall, beautiful woman might a) already have a partner despite being tall, b) not be interested in finding a partner right now, or c) since it was lunchtime, was thinking about something she needed to do for work and resented the interruption?

What would you recommend he have done instead?

Your reaction is an example of why dating is so hard for guys. There is no way to approach women without risking a potentially reputation-ruining reaction.

Re: AI 'wingmen' bots to write profiles and flirt on dating apps

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post #44

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Here i can also add a story: Last year, i recognized a lady who also exits the same metro & bus at the same station sometimes, so i was looking forward that i will see her again one day. This happened: I have to note im somewhat above the average body height, as she is: id say she was around 1.89m, my own size - apart from the fact that i found her beautiful, i thought it would be somehow a "higher chance" to get to…

Um, did you consider that this tall, beautiful woman might a) already have a partner despite being tall, b) not be interested in finding a partner right now, or c) since it was lunchtime, was thinking about something she needed to do for work and resented the interruption?

Good catch! The days when i saw her some days in the metro, i checked explicitly if she has some signs of an existing relationship, like a ring or something specific that may indicate this.

Also i have to admit, she is a smoker; something i could deal with (teethgrindingly) since i was one for myself years ago, but honestly: Today most men wont partner up with a lady who is a smoker. And in case of men today, if you are smoking you are actually out forever for any women: Smoking _is_ just disgusting :-D

So, my "gut-statistics" is just telling me that she is/was single with a very very high probality.

EDIT: before someone is coming with clothes or similar ideas: Im working in a decent office environment in which nice clothes are the standard (finance), so im not running around with jeans etc, also im in very good shape

Re: AI 'wingmen' bots to write profiles and flirt on dating apps

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“Why don’t you just get a cleaner?” is not a subject I’d introduce anywhere near the start of a relationship.

Well, if you are telling me about problem X, which could easily resolved and which would be useful and beneficial for you, and we could solve it with low transactions costs, and i present you the solution Y to your problem X: Why should this be offensive? (obviously they have some "logistics alignment problem", if the have those dicussions?) example: im living alone and i also hired someone to do this. I do not get w…

People often make the mistake of thinking “I want to rant about X” means “I’d like a near stranger to tell me how to fix X”.

“Why don’t you just get someone in to clean”, specifically, may also cause a perception of criticism. Perhaps they want their kids to learn to do the chore for when they live alone. Etc.

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This is not the future we need. Humans need real emotional connection. Hell, it’s right in the middle of Maslow’s hierarchy of needs and fundamental to both self-esteem and self-actualization[0]. In order to develop true friendship, whether plutonic or romanic, there has to be a base of authenticity. Otherwise the relationship is built on deceit and will eventually erode. Obviously inserting an AI between you and a p…

We have the power to construct systems where this is disincentivized.

However, no one seems to believe that's possible despite being the ones that built the systems in the first place. It seems we're only able to build social systems by accident which incidentally is the worst way of doing it.

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I found myself single in my late 30s after a long relationship ended. Dipping my toe in the water with the apps was not an experience that I enjoyed. I met my ex online at a time when people didn’t admit they met online. That was a far better time for online dating. What I know with absolute certainty is that adding AI to the pre-meeting process is exactly the opposite of what I want, especially if that means I’m not…

I actually met some of the people building these types of company, they completely blank when you bring up ethical concerns and unintended consequences. I'd love a townhall event with one of them just so the world could see the type of men behind these dating apps.

To be fair, a lot of professional programmers (regardless of application / industry) completely blank when you bring up ethical concerns of their work. As long as they're being paid and it's an [interesting | challenging | hot] technology, they're more than happy to turn a blind eye toward the application they're actually building. "Hey, I'm just moving protobufs around, it's not my fault my company uses it to build the Torment Nexus!"

Re: AI 'wingmen' bots to write profiles and flirt on dating apps

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"may degrade an already precarious online environment" Not may, will. Furthermore, I will never wrap my head around why people would use AI for a use-case like this. It entirely defeats the purpose of interacting with people. If you are awkward, with enough time you will either find someone who is also awkward, or someone who doesn't care/finds it endearing. Having a bot generate dialog for you is a weird step backwa…

The way people select a mate on dating apps is very different than how people judge potential mates when meeting them in real life. Someone could be bad at texting and writing profiles but actually charming and a good fit to you when given the chance to have an actual date. The idea so use a tool that helps you over the initial hurdle so you get a chance in the first place isn't that far fetched. Also speaking person…

Dating apps commodify meeting people. Any time something is commodified, it undergoes a distortion, first to meet the demands of being a commodity, and then to meet the demands of the market in which it's disseminated.

AI, if easier and worse, has the potential to accelerate the decline of online dating - already a hellscape - into something so terrible it is easier to avoid. AIAcc is a legitimate stance in the face of this.

Re: AI 'wingmen' bots to write profiles and flirt on dating apps

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post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Um, did you consider that this tall, beautiful woman might a) already have a partner despite being tall, b) not be interested in finding a partner right now, or c) since it was lunchtime, was thinking about something she needed to do for work and resented the interruption?

What would you recommend he have done instead? Your reaction is an example of why dating is so hard for guys. There is no way to approach women without risking a potentially reputation-ruining reaction.

Well, there's definitely no right way to do a cold approach and immediate invitation to a date to a stranger on the street; there are contexts where people are signalling they are open to dating approahces from strangers (dating apps, certain singles events—but even a certain amount of mutual sharing, facilitated by the app or event, is normal before an invitation, for both parties to do some assessment of compatibility beyond appearance), and there are relatively safe ways and contexts to inquire about the possibility of a date where there is a pre-existing non-dating relationship. But a cold approach on the street based on nothing but appearance (partially attraction, partially the paradoxical assessment that this attractive potential partner has an unusually limited set of potential partners of their own) has got to be the worst choice ever.

Not only do you have a mich higher chance of approaching someone who isn't available for dating in any context, you also signal that your only concern in dating in appearance and that you are incredibly socially inept and unaware of the contexts in which dating approaches are appropriate, neither of which are helpful to your cause, in most cases.

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