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Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

#51

I kind of get why we don’t like this in email, but for SMS and Slack I’ve thoroughly enjoyed reactions. They’re a way to say “I received this and have a positive reaction to it, with no further communication necessary”. Replaces a lot of useless typing I had to do to sound polite when saying “fine, no further comment”. And then getting a notification from the other party acknowledging my acknowledgment… yuck.

I agree. I'm not anti-reactions. I'm anti-reactions in email.

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

#52
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RCS is already here on Android, but I keep it disabled in order to avoid read receipts and typing indicators.

You can disable read receipts and typing indicators without disabling RCS

You can? That didn't used to be the case on my phone at all. Glad to hear they changed that.

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

#53

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This question is how we get opinionated software that slowly-but-surely stops serving the user. "I don't like it" should be a perfectly valid reason for turning off a feature.

Except, by turning them off, you are therefore forcing people who want to communicate with you to adapt to your communication preferences because you have, by fiat, decided that you simply don't want to perceive the communication method they prefer. Coming to an agreement with others about how you want to communicate with them as fine, but communication is a two-way street, and so it has to be bilaterally negotiated…

> by turning them off, you are therefore forcing people who want to communicate with you to adapt to your communication preferences because you have

I don't see how. All it means is that I won't see the reactions. That's my loss. I'm not forcing anyone else to do anything differently.

If it actually begins to interfere with communications too much, I can turn them back on.

> it's somehow unethical or abusive of the user or something

For me, that's not the thing at all. It's more that configuration options often make the difference between software being useful to me and not being useful to me. That's all.

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

#54

Can an anti-reaction person explain what they find so distasteful about them? Is it that the other person wasn't willing to make the effort to type is seen as disrespectful? struggling to see what the problem is

It isn't materially different than replying "OK" in that both a thumb's-up notification and an "OK" reply both act as distractions from whatever meaningful activity I'm engaging in, the same with all the DINGS and BUZZES and BANNERS and POP UPS that vie for my precious attention.

I've struggled my entire life trying to control my focus, and it's like the rest of humanity has decided to go all in on filling our shared environment with even more distractions. It sucks. It's manipulative. Let me turn it off. Leave me be. Better yet, help me pay attention to the things _I_ value.

/rant

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

#55

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It should be entirely socially acceptable to respond to any trivial message with "ACKNOWLEDGED" á la Picard

I agree. Also, if the message proposes any action, it should be appropriate to reply with "Make it so.".

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Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

#56

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This question is how we get opinionated software that slowly-but-surely stops serving the user. "I don't like it" should be a perfectly valid reason for turning off a feature.

Perhaps it would be better to ask, how do you expect people to communicate to you those things that would be expressed as reactions?

Using words. Same as here on Hacker News.

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

#57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This question is how we get opinionated software that slowly-but-surely stops serving the user. "I don't like it" should be a perfectly valid reason for turning off a feature.

Except, by turning them off, you are therefore forcing people who want to communicate with you to adapt to your communication preferences because you have, by fiat, decided that you simply don't want to perceive the communication method they prefer. Coming to an agreement with others about how you want to communicate with them as fine, but communication is a two-way street, and so it has to be bilaterally negotiated…

Some people pay per text message received. So, they have to ask each and every one of their iMessage-using friends to please not send these ridiculous reactions, because they are ultimately another text message which will cost money. If that counts as "forcing others to adapt their communication" well then I'm sorry, but their preference is my cost, so I don't think it's out of line to politely ask them not to.

Ultimately, this is something that I'd rather be handled at the carrier layer: I should be able to have my phone reject a text message and not pay for / receive it.

On the topic of configurability: Software should ultimately serve the end user. When a developer makes an undesirable (to a user) change to the software and provides the user no way to opt out of that change, it's serving the developer's interests, and it's doing a slightly worse job at serving the user.

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

#58

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Genuine question: why?

This question is how we get opinionated software that slowly-but-surely stops serving the user. "I don't like it" should be a perfectly valid reason for turning off a feature.

Sure but you turning it off doesn't occur in a vacuum. Slack is a communication program. Either it then has to disregard reactions from other people, which is potentially a situation where someone will acknowledge your message and you will not be notified of that fact, or they then have to simply prevent reactions on any messages you yourself send, which is going to prompt a question from the coworkers using the space. Which brings us back to, "Why?"

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

#59
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I would love to disable that on my client. I never want to see reactions.

Honestly if someone were to send me a message that only required a simple acknowledgement, and that person hypothetically had disabled reactions, I would interpret that as that person not wanting their message to be acknowledged. But I suspect what you’re really wanting is typed acknowledgment?

I would probably just send the emote I would react with as a single-letter answer. If I have nothing to say beyond "thumbs up emoji" the fact that you don't like reactions doesn't, by virtue of your opinion, give me anything more interesting to say in return.

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

#60

I kind of get why we don’t like this in email, but for SMS and Slack I’ve thoroughly enjoyed reactions. They’re a way to say “I received this and have a positive reaction to it, with no further communication necessary”. Replaces a lot of useless typing I had to do to sound polite when saying “fine, no further comment”. And then getting a notification from the other party acknowledging my acknowledgment… yuck.

It should be entirely socially acceptable to respond to any trivial message with "ACKNOWLEDGED" á la Picard

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